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    Posted: 14 Jan 05 at 1:31pm

i'm not sure that the laser II can be described as a dead class.  Universities still race them along side fireflies and larks at busa events (both fleet racing and team racing).

Have a look at the busa fleet racing nationals to see how "dead" the class is.  Havig said that, the L2 doesn't seem to have much of a following outside of the uni's anymore.

http://wpnsa.org.uk/results/BUSALaser2.htm

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The other advantage of Fastsail, SGP and the shared events for this year is it is widening the network of helms and crews and making it easier for people to try other classes or find a helm or crew for events.
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Very well said, and I think fast sail is a brilliant way to bring back some of the 'older' classes, when i told people about the javelin (as an example) half of them hadn't even heard of one, but hopefully with fast sail and events like the SGP these classes will get some publicity and hopefully become more popular.
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A lot of sailors are just fickle in what they sail, going back many years the Fireball lost sailors to the ISO when it first came out, then those sailors went for the L4k and then the RS800 etc etc. Look at the number of "new" boats that have come and gone, iso, Laser 2, Boss, B14, L3k, L5k. Not to mention some of the single handers and no doubt some cats as well.

More boats doesn't equal better sailing, just fewer sailors at each event. And a class with few sailors will eventually disappear.

There are some truly horrible old boats still going, likewise there are some horrible new boats about. Of course there are good old and new boats too.

Older classes lost out to the professional Class assoc management that Laser, Topper etc started using, but they are making a come back in some cases, take Fastsail as an example.

Perhaps we need to get more people sailing rather than worrying too much about what they sail??

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Will the Contender survive?  Yes, probably even if its just as a trainer for the higher performance single handers.  I know that's hard to take for a Contender owner but I used to sail a Scorpion and at the time there was only one non-trapeze boat that was faster.  Look at the Scorpion now, a lovely boat but slow.  The same goes for the Contender a lovely boat but slow. 

However there is salvation for the Contender and also for many of the older designs.  The modern designs are faster in a blow but often not faster in the light stuff (just compare a 5o5 with a Laser 4000), so be prepared for the Contender to be called fast in the light stuff (hard to believe, I know).

I have sailed a Contender and its nice and steady and reputedly good on the sea.  What I didn't like was having to go so far aft during the tack and also touching your nose on the floor to avoid the boom as it came across.  Fabulous boat upwind in a 4.

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Going back to the 470, I remember when it got chosen for the olympics (over the Fireball as far as we where concerned) the 'ball was "the" boat in this country, but the 470 was massive on the continent. I think I'm probably typical of Brit sailors, in that I know nothing of what goes on abroad, except that the sailing scene seems very different. I guess the Musto skiff could benefit from it's international success, while the 700 will only prosper as long as LDC care. Bit like the contender/600 debate. I think if I had a 600 I would not be too happy with LDC! (But then again, as a former 300 owner, I'm a bit jaded where they are concerned!!!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 05 at 9:49pm
I think time on the water is always the best way to improve, so buy a second hand boat with the old rig and save for the new rig.  In time you'll get the new rig and appreciate it all the more in the meantime you'll have gained some valuable experience.  If in doubt, my moto is, "get sailing".
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Originally posted by sailor girl

How do you guys rekon the new byte rig will do?? i'm not sure whether to wait and try and save for it (which will take sooo long!!) or get a new old original sail. I want to make sure i have a new sail for the nationals in hune, and i know i could easily get a new 'old' rig, but is it worth it to wait for the new one/ what do people think??? Help!!!


I understood the manufacturs were doing deals on the upgrade... Think you'd regret the old sail.
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How do you guys rekon the new byte rig will do?? i'm not sure whether to wait and try and save for it (which will take sooo long!!) or get a new old original sail. I want to make sure i have a new sail for the nationals in june, and i know i could easily get a new 'old' rig, but is it worth it to wait for the new one/ what do people think??? Help!!!

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