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    Posted: 19 Aug 18 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by Chris 249

A similar move towards funding sports based on participation rather than medals has been announced here in Australia.

Ed Warner has expressed an opinion, not made an announcement. He's the head of British Basketball which, oddly enough, is one of the sports he thinks deserves more money.
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Originally posted by Chris 249

A similar move towards funding sports based on participation rather than medals has been announced here in Australia.

Ed Warner has expressed an opinion, not made an announcement. He's the head of British Basketball which, oddly enough, is one of the sports he thinks deserves more money.


True he might be biased, but he is likely right if he is saying basketball is very accessible if the infrastructure is there.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Having done a stint as Commodore at our club when I got the job by default, the VC resigned for good reasons, I was asked to be VC and I found myself in the top job a year later ...

Finally; I learnt a huge amount through the process, about subjects that I had previously known very little and in terms of personal development I gained a great deal.  I really would commend “stepping up to the plate”.
Totally agree on both counts. I rocked up to the AGM one year expecting a couple of drinks with my racing mates and found myself as the VC an hour and a half later and commodore a year or two after that. And much as some of the whining on the forum has made me whine back I did get a lot from being VC and Commodore, and I'm not just talking about satisfaction at putting something back into a sport and a club that has given me so much. My professional career has come on in leaps and bounds since, not the reason I became VC and them Commodore but if you can run a sailing club with a load of excitable members then running a business is easy peasy in comparison. 

The REALLY good leaders I've seen (and I'm not counting myself in this category, I was an adequate VC and Com mainly because I loved the sport and was enthusiastic rather than being a great leader) are great at spotting talent in the club and aligning it to the right role. Some of the sole trader types in our clubs have been great at thinking outside the box and at recruitment, some of the public sector types are great at aligning the club with local influences such as councils, Councillors, MPs, the RYA, local schools etc, and members from a practical background are invaluable for helping us maintain the club at a reasonable cost. To be successful in the dreadful market that sailing clubs are in at present clubs need to use all available talent.
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Originally posted by Gordon 1430

I find I can cope with a 2 or 3 year stint on sailing or management committee and have been Rear commodore sailing at our club which meant going to both evenings. Frankly on the sailing side I get sick of the club racing/ existing members being ignored and the whole talk being about the next training event or what the club should be doing for the people who have done level 1 and 2.
I think that's an interesting point. While clubs obviously differ into terms of the split between racing/cruising/training/social/group memberships I think all the clubs I've familiar with have those broad categories of member/interest. And when I was on our club committee all the commodores were very careful to ensure all views were listened to and the interests of all sections of the membership was raised and discussed at each meeting. My background is in smaller clubs so I don't know much about how the bigger clubs with professional staff manage themselves, but at my club all members do duties that support the racing programme for example, and some of our racers are also DI's or safety boat crew on the training courses. I don't that is unusual, so it's hard to understand why a club would ignore a big section of it's membership. 
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Originally posted by 423zero

Well said and well done for instigating, I am of the belief that if more clubs did this RYA would help out with nonsensical paper work, campaign on behalf of clubs to allow a central system, if you are affiliated it's a given that your club complies with data protection etc
Sorry, GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) and the Data Protection Act are legal requirements not something that is in the gift of the RYA or an individual club to ignore, and affiliation by a club to a governing body (or not) isn't relevant.

 
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Take Olympic events to lowest common denominator, this will make Olympic games accessible to virtually every country in the World that wants to take part.
Sailing, every country given 4 Keel boats, 1 Male, 1 Female, 1 Male disabled, 1 Female disabled,
the 4 keel boats in each country race a series against each other, winner will represent that country.
Running, just the Marathon and the Mile.
Athletics, Long jump, High jump, Discus, Shot put, Javelin, Wrestling.
Equestrian, none.
Reduce all sections, add or detract has you wish, Olympic committee sole provider of all kit, any country in the world can apply for equipment for sport it is interested in, funded by richest countries, based on GDP etc.
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Originally posted by elzorillo

Sorry.. but when a committee chooses to allocate the majority their time and clubs resources to altruistic aims, whilst at the same time alienating the very people who provide 90%  of the finances of the club, they should at least have the common sense to sit back and realise they (and more specifically the club) are on borrowed time. 
I can't make any sense of this ?   Altruistic aims ?   Does this mean things the club does that you personally don't support ?   As I find it hard to see what's particularly wrong about a sailing club having altruism at its core, if we agree with the dictionary definition of altruistic as being "unselfishly concerned for or devoted to the welfare of others (opposed to egoistic)".  And who are the people that provide 90% of the finances of the club ?   In most clubs I'd guess the income is perhaps 30% from racing and racing members, 50% from recreational sailors who are rarely seen at the club but whose subs keep it afloat, and perhaps 10% each from social and group members. Feels like there is so much antagonism in your posts you're in danger of missing the point of what the sport and our clubs are about. This isn't supposed to be hard work, it's our leisure time, if you're having such a bad experience move club as you clearly don't like or respect where you are.
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Originally posted by Late starter

Originally posted by 423zero

Well said and well done for instigating, I am of the belief that if more clubs did this RYA would help out with nonsensical paper work, campaign on behalf of clubs to allow a central system, if you are affiliated it's a given that your club complies with data protection etc
Sorry, GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) and the Data Protection Act are legal requirements not something that is in the gift of the RYA or an individual club to ignore, and affiliation by a club to a governing body (or not) isn't relevant.

 

Quite, and one area in which in my experience the RYA excels, and is next to invaluable to club (particularly small ones) in in the quality of legal advice they give. I have in the past had reason to clarify several issues (on quite different subjects) with them, and found the advice sensible and easy to access. More recently, having to deal with GDPR of a non sailing organisation I am a trustee of, by far the best, most accessible, and not over-reactive, advice I came across was produced by the RYA legal dept. The RYA can't take the place of Clubs having to deal with GDPR themselves, but they can make the journey a lot easier, and they generally do.

Anyone who thinks that management of a club is going to be easier outside of the RYA is likely to have a nasty wake up call somewhere down the line, and I'd strongly advise against it.

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RYA have been brilliant with help, with anything we have asked for help with, I can't see anywhere in my posts I have said otherwise, I am merely stating my clubs secretary is drowning in paperwork, I think some of the items he has to deal with could be a given if you are affiliated, their are less than 100 members, you would think it was a multinational company.
Regarding dropping out, if no one is in charge, who can be accountable, there are no official documents anywhere signed by anyone at my club, has I stated earlier we are squatters.
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Originally posted by 423zero

RYA have been brilliant with help, with anything we have asked for help with, I can't see anywhere in my posts I have said otherwise, I am merely stating my clubs secretary is drowning in paperwork, I think some of the items he has to deal with could be a given if you are affiliated, their are less than 100 members, you would think it was a multinational company.
Regarding dropping out, if no one is in charge, who can be accountable, there are no official documents anywhere signed by anyone at my club, has I stated earlier we are squatters.

Quite simply no it couldn't ,  this kind of thinking  saw a number of national charities  at the risk of insolvencny  and/or  major regulatory  action .
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