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Phil_1193 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 07 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 78 |
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But was it really 114 boats on the water or just 114 entries, some are entered in more than one 'rig'
For example boat 1108 was 23rd in the Aero 5 and 36th in the Aero 7. Good piece of media spin from RS on the numbers? ![]() ![]() |
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119 Bic Technos so far entered for their nationals, and windsurfing died long before the Laser class did!!
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those stats only show how many are sailed in PY reported handicap races. I'd be astonished if there were not more participants in Laser class races across the country and a year than any other class.
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I could also argue that Laser Nats attendances have declined disproportionately since it became an Olympic Class. Being in the Olympics is a curse for class more often than benefit, doubles the price, poisons the racing for ordinary mortals.
I've always had huge respect for the 505 class for always rejecting the Olympics.
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On the other hand, when the topic came up here a while back I tried to find quantitative evidence of the "Olympic kiss of death", and IIRC it wasn't easy to find.
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Try looking at new 470 registrations in France or Germany before and after selection. Or UK Laser Nat attendance, pre and post. Or the new price and longevity of a 470 compared to a Worlds winning Fireball Then there's the activity levels in Etchells and Solings. The former avoided the Olympics and still has massive International champs support. I did see a grotty Soling drifting around Rutland in April. Then there's the current second hand price of Europes, Ynglings et al. The only class that seems to really be thriving despite the curse is the Finn. An Olympic medal gets all the adulation, but the one-boat-per-country constraint regularly takes out top contenders, sometimes reigning World Champions. Who'd have bet against Giles and Ben both getting a finn medal in 2012 if they'd both been allowed to sail? And dont get me going on the silly (worship the god that is TV) medal-race concept or conditions under Sugar-loaf that made Frensham Pond look subtle and predictable.
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It does seem hard, though, to find evidence for the Olympic effect without cherry-picking, and I think Jim and Rupert found some flaws in my case when I claimed there was an Olympic curse on this forum. While there is (for example) the Soling v Etchell comparison that shows the chosen class suffering, there's other examples such as the Tornado v Quest B/B-Lion comparison that shows the chosen class doing much better than the ones that didn't go Olympic. If we try to identify classes that we could use as a yardstick to look at the effects of Olympic selection on the popularity of a class, one good place would seem to be the boats that ran second in Olympic selections. That means we bring in the Etchells, 505 (arguably) and Fireball, which make the Olympic Soling, FD and 470 look bad in some ways. However, to be consistent we must then bring in the Vrijbuiter (second to the FD), Spicle (second to the Finn, IIRC), Quest B (second to the Tornado, IIRC), Laser 5000 or Boss (next behind the 49er) and Viper (second to the Nacra 17), and suddenly getting the nod to join the five-ring circus looks to be much better than missing out. Getting rid of the compounding factors is a major issue when trying to find evidence for the curse. For example, the Etchells is a cheaper boat to build than the Soling (it was designed by a boatbuilder), has tighter class rules, and bans hiking. All that had an impact. And what of the Trias, the other main competitor for the Olympic slot? Like the Etchells, it was not selected but unlike the Etchells it has not gone on to great popularity. Which one do you we use for comparison when we look at the Olympic effect? The 470 issue seems to depend on what metrics you use; yes numbers in France and Germany may have dropped but without selection would the class ever have existed in many other countries? While some classes have done well since losing their Olympic spots, others have suffered which may indicate that their Olympic status was a positive for them. Surprisingly the US Star fleet seems to have suffered since the class lost its spot. Maybe the nature of the Olympic curse has changed over time? Maybe now being an Olympic class actually guarantees a fairly strong future, for a while at least? I'm not claiming to have any answers, merely saying that there may not be any easy answer. You're right about the medal race BTW. It's stupid that ISAF inferred that you need a cliff-hanging last race to attract spectators when "minor" events like the F1 world championship and Tour de France seem to attract plenty of spectators even when the last round is a dead rubber. And the claim that loading the last day and racing in front of a stadium was "modernising" the sport looks very hollow when one sees that the same principle was used in the sailing at the 1900 Games! Edited by Chris 249 - 06 Sep 17 at 2:05am |
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As I expect I've said before, almost all classes will have more popular and less popular venues, but if you're a genuinely nationally popular class you really do need to go all round the country so everyone gets a reasonably local event from time to time, and that means accepting some poor turnouts. Even bigger issue internationally and in larger countries than UK.
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Medal races... F1 not a good comparison. Reckon problem with games is countries with limited press presence who only send journos/broadcast one race, and if all is decided send no-one. I think the principle is better some coverage than none. Whether this is wise, not sure. Plenty of other sports get minimal coverage.
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