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    Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 4:42pm
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Above that you're a candidate for Belsen under my regime...

it'd be a great party... all them gays, road bikers, big fellas and women with red hair.
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Well I'm a relatively skinny 97kg due to my height (6'6") and Phantom is very well suited to me (as I'm sure a Finn would be for the sea). However as soon as I look at double-handers that I'm suited to helm, the list seems to drop to zero.

About the best compromise I could find was an Albacore. Not because it's got a big rig that needs weight, but that it has a relatively long hull that spreads the weight a bit. Also means that relatively lightweight crews seem to also be OK in it.

Amazes me that so few designers have come up with a modern equivalent - a long easily driven hull with a modest rig to get the broadest possible weight range. Maybe the X1? A bit too expensive I think...
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So what if 'big' teenagers, (very big actually) can't find a pathway boat. I don't hear the Rugby fraternity crying out about the injustice that anyone small can't be a competitive Rugby player.

It's life - we can't all have the capacity/ capability / physique to do everything to a high standard.
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Frank Bethwaite's 59er was supposed to fill the role of a big adult's boat, but no-one bought any.
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and then lightweights added a trapeze and truly stabbed it to death...
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My argument re dinghy for normal size fit women was just that, "normal".
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Originally posted by JimC

Frank Bethwaite's 59er was supposed to fill the role of a big adult's boat, but no-one bought any.

My understanding (I think from yourself even) was that it had a very big rig, which is why I assume lightweights put trapezes on it.
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Big boat all round, saw JB stating recently it was longer than a 49er, and certainly more rocker and curve in sections so be surprising if it doesn't carry more weight.
Yeah, I suspect the uncertainty caused by a few owners faffing with wires was the thing that finished it off, but you know if enough big sailors had been buying them it shouldn't have mattered.
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a alternative explanation - by the time that young sailors were in a financial position to buy an expensive dinghy (with no second-hand market) they had already left dinghy sailing.

When I was 17, many years ago I was 6'4" and about 17 stone (and very skinny so no sizeist comments). I was crewing a 14 (the 1 trapeze version, - a Kirby 5). I would dream of getting into the big guy classes - FD, 505, Tempest, Star and these were reasonable aspirations to sail in the most prestigious classes. In fact I hoped to grow into these classes (literally, like most tall people I continued to grow until I was about 27).

Sizewise, I was no freak, playing second row at school there was competition for places, because there were several players my size or taller.

I am convinced that if I was 17 today I would already have left sailing - or would be cruiser racing, r possibly kite-boarding. I would certainly have realised that there was no place for me in dinghy sailing
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There are boats out there that will carry weight well. Maybe not all from the 90s & 00s though. The trend for short asymmetric powered planing boats from  that period produced a lot of boats that to my mind were rather one trick ponies as regards wind strength & crew weight.

The older classes, Osprey, 505, Javelin all carry weight really well in all wind strengths. At Club level sailing are also perfectly well able to be sailed my middle and with decent sympathetic boat handling skills even light weights. 

I know iGRF will cry over weight out of date classes but the fact is a long boat that is not feather weight is much less sensitive to variations in crew weight. Also these boat tend to be relatively kind in their manners and suitable for dragging last minute crews off the foreshore which can be a very sociable and satisfying experience for all.

I take my hat off to the Alto for it's attempt at a modern take on these bigger boats. 


 
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