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    Posted: 28 Aug 14 at 1:02pm
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Going way off topic now, but why is pumping bad?
 
Is roll tacking bad too?


Pumping is bad because it raises the level of athleticism required to compete at the very top level. Then again that must also be the same for dinghies.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with roll tacking I guess as long as it isn't done in excess.

I bear a certain responsibility for pumping in windsurfing, back in the day my naivety caused a bit of an issue when Eric Twiname published an article I'd written about the need to learn how to do it properly, given the problems we as the British Team faced when travelling overseas.

Much later, when we were building the Mistral Class and we had a sponsor (Carlsberg) who insisted that the racing start at 12 noon come what may on the Saturday, and that the event were visible (Quite logical if you think about it, why would they want to sponsor something taking place miles out to sea that nobody could see), so if you want to race in nothing then pumping is pretty much your only option and back then we were a bit of an Elite class.(And young). So we waived the rules.

Do I regret that now with hind site? Not really, everyone comes to the end of an athletic career and I hung on longer than most and the fact still remains it is impossible to police, even if you banned it, had referees, those of us that know the subtleties would still reign supreme, something that does go on in the Kona class I'm sure since it's being won by the same pumping French b**tards we came up against in the Europeans in 1978.

I think with dinghies it is much easier to police, (just by watching the mast rocking about) and they had/have a greater culture of self policing than we, protests rarely occurred in Windsurfing in the post fun board era.

But to use it as an excuse to not pursue the sport is as I said just a bit disingenuous and I think in these days of falling club numbers, we're all missing a trick not encouraging sailboards on the start line. I also know as a fact now rather than conjecture that what you learn racing a longboard does carry over into dinghies and vice versa, with the exception of maybe the lee bow effect which we still firmly believe in.

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Watching the junior windsurfing, pumping seems to be a great leveller. The bigger, heavier sailors can pump harder than the light ones, and they need to to keep up with them cos they're lighter.
 
I've never got why people seem so offended by the the people who train harder to be fitter and stronger having an advantage in a sporting endeavour.
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Totally agree Gareth.... and as soon as people start taking it seriously (e.g. money is involved) classes get a rep for pumping anyway... Solo and Phantom are prime examples.

Neil Pryde have introduced the RS:One over the last 5 years- a sort of feeder board to the RS:X and weekend warrior board... the class does NOT prohibit pumping.  Sadly despite some efforts for a roadshow and demo tour, Pryde pulled the plug on promoting it here in the UK.  Our market is considered too contracted and sail powered racing is dictated by the insular attitude of dinghy racing clubs and established dinghy classes.  

Starboard have something similar with the Phantom 295 - again they are fighting Pryde over market space in Asia rather than worrying about selling the racing concept here. 


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Originally posted by GarethT



Watching the junior windsurfing, pumping seems to be a great leveller. The bigger, heavier sailors can pump harder than the light ones, and they need to to keep up with them cos they're lighter


Well that was also another logic we applied and back then it was so, when rigs were 6.3 and 7.5. What then happened, rig sizes became so much bigger and it did kill it for light weights a bit. They now average 8.5 and 9.5 and I do worry about kids backs using rigs that big especially as the actual rig size is nearer 9.8 when measured since all rigs base themselves around the RSX which is an absolute killer weight wise

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Not heard of any health issues with kids using the Techno 6.8 and 7.8 rigs. Hopefully the new Techno 8.5 will give another option for older kids for whom the RS:X is not really the right place to go.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 14 at 1:38pm
so windsurfing's course racing classes (non-Olympic) are:

Bic Techno with an 8.5m sail
Starboard Phantom 295 with an 8.5m sail (and a 6.5 and 7.5 change down option for lighter weights)
Neil Pryde RS:One with a 7.8m sail (based on the Helium, so tight leech, light wind orientated)

Seems to me they need their heads knocking together..... there's 'one class' there if they could be arsed to be sensible about it.  


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Well, there were 400 Technos at the recent worlds so they might claim to have a class!
 
Maybe we're trying to impose a dinghy 'ethos' on the windsurfers in the same way the west tries to impose our brand of democracy on some of the arab states.
 
Perhaps they are happy the way they are!
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genuine question, of those 400, how many were adults?  Secondly, how many of those adults represented the UK?

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very few I'm sure, but the 8.5 is new this year with the attention of addressing that.
 
Mid September is the National Windsurfing Champs at Rutland, with all the UK classes and levels included (Team 15 Champions Cup, Techno, RS:X, Raceboard and Formula).
 
The numbers there will give you the answer to your 2nd question.
 
 
 
*you changed your second question! I think there were 3 UK over 17s racing at Brest


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hmm, I think I'd also like change it again to 'over 21 or no longer in FTE'... Yes the 8,5's aim is to address that, but perhaps rather than emulate dinghy sailing and fractionating itself into classes with commercial agendas, it would be better following the Formula model of the cat sailors?
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