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    Posted: 20 Oct 17 at 4:54pm
Anyone on here actually competed in the Endeavour? Interested to hear about it.
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I would be interested in an event which pitted the best sailors from around the country against each other. However I am not sure this is it. Wouldn't it be better if there was some sort of National League based on events of open meetings where the top x qualify for an end of year sail off of some sort?
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the Scots do a champs of champs handicap race & results 
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[QUOTE=Oli] the Scots do
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The idea we were bandying about a while back a sort of Open formula one series of similarly banded boats sailed on handicap over a National series of events throughout the year competed for in boats like the Aero Blaze, D Zero, Finn, Laser, Solution, Solo, Supernova, OK, Phantom etc.

And a Formula 2 series running alongside for the double handers, separate starts.

Would produce an interesting set of results and soon show who's handicap was or wasn't accurate.

It needed a half decent sponsor which I very nearly succeeded in sorting but then other work issues got in the way, but it's still on the back burner, maybe some time in the future..
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Originally posted by iGRF

The idea we were bandying about a while back a sort of Open formula one series of similarly banded boats sailed on handicap over a National series of events throughout the year competed for in boats like the Aero Blaze, D Zero, Finn, Laser, Solution, Solo, Supernova, OK, Phantom etc. 
The difficult thing is getting an incentive to race. Most those classes people have good competition within. How you entice the top sailors from each to turn up to an event where they may get unfairly beaten on handicap?

Originally posted by iGRF

Would produce an interesting set of results and soon show who's handicap was or wasn't accurate.
How?



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Would produce an interesting set of results and soon show who's handicap was or wasn't accurate.

I did not know you approved of the 'Great Lakes' approach given your forum contributions on the subject in the past !  That is exactly more or less what they have been doing for years now...

Only had to be a matter of time before such an original idea came to you we must guess.... LOL.... See you at one of the SJ events this year then ?


PS - and yes Mozzy they do get more than a smattering of decent representative crews along in most classes 


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The RYA Scotland Champions of Champions event or Sail Juice? 

The Sail Juice obviously has some great past winners and great attendances. But would it draw the top sailors away from class opens and championships if held during the summer?


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But would it draw the top sailors away from class opens and championships if held during the summer?

Don't quite see how the 'Sailjuice WINTER series' could possibly draw 'top sailors away  from class opens and Championships if held in summer' .... The title of the series is rather explicit and is 'WINTER' oriented surely ?   We could just as easily speculate about a hypothetically proposed Christmas day event and perhaps 'its effect on numbers attending'  or for those who race multiple classes and the consequences for those individuals of dates clashing there.

The point was about handicaps ... and whether there was a good multi-class vehicle from which to draw meaningful comparisons.  There is ....   


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Originally posted by mozzy

[How you entice the top sailors from each to turn up to an event where they may get unfairly beaten on handicap?



Originally posted by iGRF

Would produce an interesting set of results and soon show who's handicap was or wasn't accurate.
How?




I dunno $5000 first prize maybe that might convince a few to show up

Then the savvy ones would soon flush out the Bandit boats I bet.

Oh and the Great Lakes not cutting it? It's right there in that name "Lakes'. If you want to find a really good helm you need lake, estuary, open sea and inland events in the series like the 'National' windsurfing series of the early '80's used to do.

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