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    Posted: 29 Oct 16 at 12:28am
Originally posted by iGRF

For most folk, under the age of 50 it's never been illegal to not be heterosexual.

And anyway what does it matter? Seriously does anybody ever walk into a room and even think about the sexuality of its contents, seriously when has it ever occurred to you?

It is positive discrimination these days, the era of gay bashing has long gone.

Sailing? Homophobic? No, it isn't.

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  Sailing as a sport may not be homophobic but you have proven your bigotry beyond all doubt with your emissions ...
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I may be mistaken but doesn;t GRF hold a flag role with a club ... i wonder what the club and other committee members would make of his statements ....
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Originally posted by Rupert

How on earth does abstinence have anything to do with how you feel inside?

I do know people who's preferences in gender of partner have changed over the years, but I'm not sure it is a conscious change of feelings.

One thing I will agree on, I'm still short, and will be forever more.


 out of sight and out of mind ,  

 to bigots like GRF not having to face the fact that their internalised  bigotry is not  the reality of the world or what wider society  accepts  as within the realms of normal ... 
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Originally posted by iGRF

It's a simple word, it's called abstinence. You don't have to have sex with anyone. Thereby modifying your lifestyle choice.


 resists the temptation to   elucidate   on the benefits of the forum to  certain people  having abstained ...  

 you are a bigot  of the first  order GRF 

 the fact you  refer to Sexuality and Gender Identity as a Lifestyle choice indicates  that you more than ignoramus  and in fact are a de Facto and de Jure bigot


 some people may   compare GRF to a part of the anatomy , he has neither the warmth or the depth to be either of the most common comparators ... 

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Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by MattK

I have heard of quite a few examples of serious homophobia in sailing, particularly in yachts, particularly with south African and Australian crews




 I would suspect that is down to the  social conservatism  of the countires in question ...  SA is hugely socially conservative in parts ( and  due to  Apartheid  had a very socially conservative  official attitude for many many  years later  than  other countires in the  developed world - don;t forget  the  impact of sanctions , boycotts etc ), and  Aus isn't much better  despite  nopt havign had the boycotts etc ... 
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i would also expect there to be variation in attitude i nthe UK  and  it might be some surprising places that were  the worst offenders   -  reflectign the social conservatism of the local populace ... 

as an aside i do find it funny when the right on  leftie  'metropolitan  eleite' types  criticise the right for being  socially conservative, it's almost as though same  metropolitan eleitetype  had never met  an actual 'core' Labour voter   from the  kind of  area  where something like Billy Elliott  was  set ... 

That may not be a good post on a thread about bigotry.  Google for prevalence of homophobia by countries and we see no evidence for your beliefs about Aus. See for example


where Australia is rated to have (marginally) less discrimination than the UK.

From a study about discrimination in sport; "The study found that homophobia was very common in each of the countries surveyed in the study. However, some countries did slightly better than others. In order to identify any major difference between countries, we have ranked each country from most accepting to the least accepting based on five equal measures that combine to create an ‘inclusion score.’ Inclusion Score Each country could receive a total of 500 points 1. Canada 148/500 2. Australia 122/500 3. New Zealand 120/500 4. United Kingdom 107/500 5. Ireland 106/500 6. United States 84/500".

You may also find it relevant to look at the relative proportion of openly LGBTI politicians, the dates on which they came out, and what places have openly gay heads of government.  It is also over the top to ignore the huge difference in "social conservatism" among the 60 million people in South Africa. 

I've seen what could be seen as homophobia on Australian and South African offshore yachts. Whether that is an accurate indication of homophobia in the sport, the discipline, the social strata or the wider society is a complex question that includes factors like the way different groups of people express themselves, the differing social groups engaged in different disciplines, yada yada yada. To draw any inference from a small sample is to engage in the same sort of stereotyping that LGBTI people have suffered.

I don't mean to make this a thread about nationalism, but in a thread about bias and bigotry it seems wrong to let this sort of stuff go unexamined. It may show how deeply entrenched various biases can be, and also how hidden bias can be just as (or more) entrenched and strong as open bias.





 


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For most folk, under the age of 50 it's never been illegal to not be heterosexual.

And anyway what does it matter? Seriously does anybody ever walk into a room and even think about the sexuality of its contents, seriously when has it ever occurred to you?

It is positive discrimination these days, the era of gay bashing has long gone.

Sailing? Homophobic? No, it isn't.

Media driven nonesense
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It has never been illegal to be short, never been seen as an aberration to be corrected, unless that was what the rack was for? Being a bit short and hearing jokes can be a touch wearing, just like tall people being asked about the weather up there, but really doesn't compare to being put in prision.

And yes, when I was a teen, I wanted to be a fireman, but was too short to meet London regulations. I suspect if I'd really wanted to do it, though, I'd have looked further and discovered other fire services were more relaxed about such things. As are the cops these days, I believe.
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