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    Posted: 21 Nov 06 at 9:14pm

Stole this from a guy's sig on another forum:

Most civilization is based on cowardice. It's so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. You water down the standards which would lead to bravery. You restrain the will. You regulate the appetites. You fence in the horizons. You make a law for every movement. You deny the existence of chaos. You teach even the children to breathe slowly. You tame.

The result of that thinking is just so prevalent at our General Committee meetings. All talk of RIB's, safety cover, electrical and CORGI checks on the club-house, entertainment licences just to play a ghetto blaster, fire regs. Sometimes I just want to shout 'but this is a sailing club!'

Still, it's more jobs for so-called public servants, I guess.
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Oi!

I'm a public servant, I'm also bigger than you and I know where you live, so watch it!

 
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ive heard that before somewhere
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Originally posted by No. 5

Oi!

I'm a public servant, I'm also bigger than you and I know where you live, so watch it!

And I used to be one, so I know whereof I speak... Only democratisation of the promotion system could save the public service imho.

 
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Sometimes I just want to shout 'but this is a sailing club!'


Still, it's more jobs for so-called public servants, I guess.


Actually I blame the journos... You can hardly blame the bureaucrats for not being willing to say, when Jeremy Paxman gets into full saracastic mode about why "something wasn't done":-

"Yeah, someone got hurt, sh*t happens. Think of it as evolution in action"
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Sometimes I just want to shout 'but this is a sailing club!'


Still, it's more jobs for so-called public servants, I guess.


Actually I blame the journos... You can hardly blame the bureaucrats for not being willing to say, when Jeremy Paxman gets into full saracastic mode about why "something wasn't done":-

"Yeah, someone got hurt, sh*t happens. Think of it as evolution in action"

absolutely!  the irony is I'd be willing to go out and vote for someone who actually said that...

Yes I see where you're coming from TT, but it will then swing the other way and we'll get the "Vicky Pollard" yeah but no but yeah but no but muppets who put everything down to Darwinism and can't accept responsibility for anything.  Nobody seems to have any balanced judgement these days.  Now when I were a lad ...............

 
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I know where you're coming from MM, not all civil servants are useless bureaucrats though.
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Originally posted by No. 5

I know where you're coming from MM, not all civil servants are useless bureaucrats though.

Absolutely not No.5: most of my colleagues really wanted to do a proper job, but were often thwarted by their amoral, target and promotion-seeking 'superiors', who simply didn't want to know about job quality - that wasn't being assessed and just got in the way of the quantity!

Had we been able to vote for our bosses, on the other hand, we wouldn't have taken the easy option but would have elected someone we knew understood what was required and would appreciate us achieving it. If he/she then voted for their boss and so on the whole thing could have become a public service worthy of the name.

Sorry, everybody, for the rant, but it's where your money is going and you could be getting better value for money and happier officials to boot...
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Absolutely not No.5: most of my colleagues really wanted to do a proper job, but were often thwarted by their amoral, target and promotion-seeking 'superiors', who simply didn't want to know about job quality - that wasn't being assessed and just got in the way of the quantity!

Had we been able to vote for our bosses, on the other hand, we wouldn't have taken the easy option but would have elected someone we knew understood what was required and would appreciate us achieving it. If he/she then voted for their boss and so on the whole thing could have become a public service worthy of the name.

It sounds rather like you worked for the same part of the civil service as me- but I expect its the same everywhere.

 
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