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    Posted: 30 Mar 16 at 8:33am
I,m sure that this has been covered before but...

I understand that if you have a new/recent trailer you need to use those extending arms etc to hold the number plate at the rear of the boat etc

What would be likely to happen if you simply used the traditional mast support and number plate attached to the transom of the boat ?

How likely is it that the police would realise what was a new trailer ?

I only ask because the new set up seems so much more complex (and therefore potentially problematic)




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Another reason to vote out!
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Another reason to vote out!

You want to drive/trail  in Europe ? Then you have to comply with regulations whether 'in' or 'out'....  Will make naff all difference and 'our' representative can't argue (as they should have done already and did not) about exemptions or rule changes on the outside - in fact 'our' civil servants 'gold-plated' them as usual.  Want to look up the regulations to drive/trail in Switzerland sometime (and remember they ARE outside) if you want to see some real 'independent' trailer rules in that model land of the 'free' Wink.

Now lets talk about which side of the road 'they' should all drive on ... as 'they' have currently got that so wrong ... have they not ?   .. and what was so wrong with pounds/shillings/ pence and imperial measurements rather than all that confusing alien continental stuff while we are at it ?
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I guess you would have to prove that the trailer pre-dated the change in regulations if you want to do without the ridiculous extending arms nonsense. One approach could be to remove the plate that's riveted on, then there's no proof of when it was made. I could not possible condone such behavior but I'm sure it's been done. Chance of being pulled? Almost none I would guess, in FRA or ESP particularly. Why should we think that foreign plod is any more up to speed on current regs than our own? Their thought process would have to go something like 'there's a shiny new trailer'; 'the light board is hung on the transom'; 'can I be arsed to pull it over?'
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Its when the thought process is closer to "do I want an excuse to pull that over"...
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Originally posted by ballcocks

Another reason to vote out!


So you think enough people would want to buy a new trailer that's illegal to tow in the rest of Europe that manufacturers would have any realistic choice except to comply to EU rules?
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What percentage of boat trailers travel to Europe? 5%? 2%?

And lets summarise the process for making a trailer without the crazy bracket.
1) do not manufacture detachable bracket.
2) do not fit built in electrics
3) charge customer less.

And now the complex procedure for converting such a trailer
1) purchase detachable bracket.
2) purchase and fit electrics.


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I would say if you took the 'arms' off and your lighting board was secured and at the transom and in good working order then the plod will take very little interest.

If you lighting board was not working or looked insecure then they might decide otherwise....

Also bear in mind what your insurance company might think too...they might decide it was not insured....


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Originally posted by JimC

What percentage of boat trailers travel to Europe? 5%? 2%?


New trailers tend to be bought with new boats. How many people buying a new boat would choose to preclude ever taking it abroad? And take the potential resale hit from having a trailer than cannot be taken abroad?

I'm pretty sure 2-5% is low too. Most sailors I know have done at least a few regattas abroad, as have I.
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Originally posted by blueboy

Originally posted by ballcocks

Another reason to vote out!


So you think enough people would want to buy a new trailer that's illegal to tow in the rest of Europe that manufacturers would have any realistic choice except to comply to EU rules?



Yes certain of it.
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