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Rupert 
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 Topic: one duff tackPosted: 03 Oct 14 at 8:38am |
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In most of our long running PY threads, not to mention threads on boat finish and a plethora of other things, the phrase "no more effect than one duff tack" comes up with regularity.
So, if we all do a duff tack every now and again, what are the various techniques people have for a good tack? Edited by Rupert - 03 Oct 14 at 8:39am |
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Neptune
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 8:50am |
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In a Musto; 600 etc repeatability and patience which means keeping teh boat flat as long as possible and not over steering. oh and acceptance that sometimes you get it wrong and have to dump kicker and put the "this vehicle is reversing sirens on"
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rich96
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 8:57am |
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Practise practise practise
Don't just go out when its racing - go out when there's no pressure on and do 50 tacks, 50 gybes etc. Tacking/gybing in racing then becomes second nature. I can never understand why people continually moan about not improving but havent got to grips with good boat handling first ? |
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winging it
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 8:58am |
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What he said.
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the same, but different...
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jeffers
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 9:42am |
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Hunts is a small lake where the wind shifts around a lot.
Because of this and because of the short legs there is a far higher emphasis on boat handling and picking the right way up the beat than there is on a more open water. A bad tack can quite easily lose you several positions/seconds. This can make a big difference once the spreadsheet comes in to play as positions are often decided by a few seconds each way.
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iiitick
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 10:03am |
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All my tacks are 'duff'! However I am trying a different method realising the error of my ways. Instead of prostrating myself in the bilges while the boom whizzes over my head I am trying to duck under the boom as it attacks me then scramble through with my nether regions. It seem better in light wind.
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L123456
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 10:09am |
Good question ... I wonder what the variance is is say a reasonably large one-design fleet on finishing times? I suspect we don't know because no-one ever times fleet races just notes positions. I could think there could be at least 15 minutes between first & last in a race of 90 minutes. What does that equate to in PY range on say a boy of 1000 PY?
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rich96
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 10:10am |
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Soundfs like an ideal candidate for some practise.
Its amazing how much easier racing becomes when you no longer have to think too hard about tacking. A Saturday spent practising may be worth many times a couple of Sunday races ? Sailing is a bit unique in that regard - many people simply don't sail unless there's a race being held ? How can you reasonably expect to improve without training ? Do any other sports work in this way ? |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 10:16am |
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'one duff tack' is catch-all for a crappy upwind performance.
Sure, it quite literally means a screwed up tack, perhaps dropping the tiller, or scooping a bath-full when over egging a roll. It could mean banging your head on the boom, or getting our mainsheet knotted around your feet. We've all done it- and feel foolish and stupid and that we should know better. I also use it to describe those times when you over-shoot or undershoot a lay line, or when you tack and get headed, but you've got to see it through to regain ground to the centre of the course. Sail boat racing is like a Driving Test - the person who makes the least mistakes wins. I see a 'duff tack' as a minor fault on said test. Too many, especially in the same boxes - in this case - upwind - equals a major fault.
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Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 10:19am |
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I find that the best duff tack is when you come out of the other side and miss the toestraps
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