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    Posted: 23 Sep 14 at 7:56pm
From the Barts Bash...

Originally posted by getafix

makes you wonder doesn't it?  Record turn-outs, everyone having a good time, crowded start lines and loads of different boats all competing together and sailors having fun before, during and after, in loads of different places and conditions.... perhaps it's something about 'usual' club racing that is keeping all these extra folks away, rather than a general malaise in dinghy sailing which is oft quoted on these boards, perhaps a new thread needed?

- now here's a few thoughts:

1) the be and end all of one design racing - there was more than one comment that celebrated the diversity of boats entered.  Maybe the festival type array and variety of craft on show is actually something that inspires take up and participation?  Everyone welcome

2) handicaps - best thing about the Bart Number- no one seems to have a clue, but everyone raced together and there has been no whinging / moaning etc 


Couple these ideas together and maybe the solution is mixed fleets but bin off the handicaps?  Everyone races those around them- maybe in similar boats, Supernovas vs Aeros : Canoes vs 300s etc or maybe simply because that's the race of today as it's light/moderate/heavy conditions when the Albacore genuinely does give the Musto Skiff a run for its money.    Anyone who wants to take it a tad more seriously can travel to class events, or find class racing in popular classes more locally either in isolation if there's enough bods, or through extracted / filtered results.  

Everyone happy...?  Doubt it, but worth a try....
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That's exactly what happens for me, I'm racing whoever is nearest. In light winds the Dart 15 is pretty hopeless (or maybe it's me!) so I'm racing lasers and solos. They don't like it of course but that's another story! When the wind get's up a bit I'm chasing the 300's, stronger still the IC. So even if there's no other cats out, there's always someone to race. The fact that it's different boats depending on wind strength is a bonus. Of course, I don't care who actually wins on handicap, I never look. Beating somebody on the water is all that matters.
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thanks for starting a new thread

I've been pondering this since leaving Sunday.  Now, I normally have a good time when I'm at the sailing club, it's why I go after all.  Sunday's weather was nice; windy, relatively warm and all the usuals where there, so lots of familiar faces to talk to.  But here's the odd thing, just as reported elsewhere, there was a plethora of 'others'.

Now, I don't want to be unkind, some of these 'others' are bl00dy good sailors, far better than me, and some are pretty new to the game.  But they don't come down often.  Some I haven't seen for donkeys.  Others managed to put aside family, shopping, other hobbies, church or whatever has drawn them away and came down, rigged up and went out.

Open meetings don't draw the crowd like that event.  Open 'weeks' draw a crowd, but not that big (or varied).  So what is the reason?

  • It is a very good cause
  • Promotion was very good.
  • It was a one-off.
  • There was a strong emphasis on taking part rather than winning.
  • There was a record attempt.

I think the last one is a red herring.  T'internet is awash with causes, flash mobs, record daftness and opportunities to be one of many, so I don't think the record attempt aspect was the big driver.

So, without doing down the very good cause in this case in any way.  I'm more inclined to believe it was the idea of taking part in something new and different and that, and here's my key reason, taking part would be fun.  Even seeing who might turn up added a certain something to the whole thing?

Anything we can draw from this to keep this kind of feeling going?
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3 races week in, week out, every Sunday, every year, in a never changing programme, against almost the same people. Does that describe many clubs? I'm bored with it, to be honest, and rarely do a series, just the races that happen to be on when I feel like it. On the other hand, I've put on some novice races for the juniors and their parents, and get a great response from people who, on the whole, have never done Sunday racing. The club would like me to try and get these people sailing on a Sunday - I confess, I don't think that will happen without a change somewhere in the way things are run. But any regular racing will become routine, so I don't really see that something like Bart's Bash can be used as a template - as an inspiration, yes.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

best thing about the Bart Number- no one seems to have a clue, but everyone raced together and there has been no whinging / moaning etc 

Think you'll find just about everyone did their local results on their normal handicaps.

When the Bart numbers are published I have every confidence that the usual predictable suspects will do their usual predictable whinging with their usual predictable ignorance about how little difference the odd 1 or 2% usually makes on handicap results: especially as I happened to see from one of the few published results that the "Bart Number" for a Laser is 1088, which seems kinda familiar...
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Oh Jim don't spoil the warm feeling he has about PY's :-)

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Thinking about it further, is it what is happening on the water that matters at all? Is it the atmosphere off the water? Sunday at the club, all the same old men, eating the same lunch every week, sat at the same bench, having the same conversations, tutting at the children...

Mind, some Open meeting circuits are rather like that, too.
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Originally posted by getafix

So what is the reason?
  • It is a very good cause
  • Promotion was very good.
  • It was a one-off.
  • There was a strong emphasis on taking part rather than winning.
  • There was a record attempt.


Might it be different reasons for different people and it was not any one that masde the difference but the combination?
I mean, I don't give a [redacted] about the Guinness book of records, but judging by the bizarre things people do to get into it, and the amount of anti-faking bureaucracy around the record bids its clear that some folk do.

It will be interesting what happens next year. Will it be greeted with the same effort - and I think many clubs put far more effort in than mine did - or will it be greeted with a degree of ennuie? Certainly I don't want to spend all that time gathering videos and photos and witness statements next year...

Edited by JimC - 23 Sep 14 at 8:53pm
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"how can we get the same enthusiasm every week as we got for a one-off event with massive publicity and celebrity endorsement"
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Originally posted by alstorer

"how can we get the same enthusiasm every week as we got for a one-off event with massive publicity and celebrity endorsement"


We can't.
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