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goyachts 
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Joined: 07 Dec 13 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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 Topic: Designing the perfect trainerPosted: 16 Dec 13 at 12:16pm |
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Is the perfect trainer one that is more stable and maybe self rights?
Or is making it to easy a mistake ? In Australia , the standard is that beginners need a boat that capsizes But I am wondering if the first boat that beginners started in could have removable Ballast and could not capsize ( at least to start with). Could you get more People to have a go? GO-4.8 |
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:13pm |
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I'd be calling shotgun on the Oppy personally... capsize is also a very good way to slow things down in scary beginner situations- especially for kids. Let it turtle, climb up and hang on to the daggerboard and wait for rescue. It takes no more skill or strength than climbing out of a swimming pool. 
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Rupert
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:24pm |
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I'd want one with a nice thick cushioned sole to stop jarring on the knees, but light weight, too. Bright reflective colours are good if running on a dark road so cars can see you.
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Dougal
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:29pm |
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eh?
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What could possibly go wrong?
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Dougal
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:30pm |
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Oh. Just got it! Very good. Sorry.
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Lukepiewalker
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:59pm |
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The danger with self righting boats is that they can sail away on their own should they deposit they're helm in the wet stuff. I'm of the belief that when teaching beginners (young ones anyway) you don't want to foster a fear of capsizing and falling in. Of course the counterpoint to that is when you are trying to teach a group of beginners who are all too comfortable with falling in...
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Rupert
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 2:15pm |
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Agree that capsizing (and learning how to right a boat, get it under control and sail away without help) is all part of learning to sail. The only times I can see that being different are when either teaching people with mobility problems or teaching the basics to someone who is going to go yachting, not dinghy sailing, once they are learned. Maybe some of the yacht charter places in the Med, or something.
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 2:36pm |
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let them... they've got years of misery ahead of them when messing around in the water and jumping off their boat will be frowned upon.
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winging it
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 2:40pm |
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Mast head floats are enough to give security when capsizing. Teaching using self righting boats is a step too far. Beginners need their boats to accurately reflect reality, that is how they learn good habits and are kept safe.
I should add my experience of self righting or 'non capsizing ' dinghies is hat most will capsize, and many will not self right. A sailability centre learnt that the hard way not so long ago when a non capsizingcapsizing hawk did capsize and did not self right. Luckily no one drowned.
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the same, but different...
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hobbiteater
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Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 3:27pm |
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it impossible to teach people about something if the thing you are teaching them with doesnt do the something.
Imagine trying to teach someone that the slamming the front brake on a bike on leads to a trip over the handlebars on a bike without a front brake
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