Designing the perfect trainer
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: Designing the perfect trainer
Posted By: goyachts
Subject: Designing the perfect trainer
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 12:16pm
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Is the perfect trainer one that is more stable and maybe self rights?
Or is making it to easy a mistake ? In Australia , the standard is that beginners need a boat that capsizes But I am wondering if the first boat that beginners started in could have removable Ballast and could not capsize ( at least to start with). Could you get more People to have a go? http://www.goyachts.net/BoatPlans_Yacht_plans.html" rel="nofollow - GO-4.8 ------------- GO-4.8 |
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Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:13pm
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I'd be calling shotgun on the Oppy personally... capsize is also a very good way to slow things down in scary beginner situations- especially for kids. Let it turtle, climb up and hang on to the daggerboard and wait for rescue. It takes no more skill or strength than climbing out of a swimming pool. 
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:24pm
I'd want one with a nice thick cushioned sole to stop jarring on the knees, but light weight, too. Bright reflective colours are good if running on a dark road so cars can see you. 
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:29pm
eh?  ------------- What could possibly go wrong? |
Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:30pm
Oh. Just got it! Very good. Sorry. ------------- What could possibly go wrong? |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 1:59pm
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The danger with self righting boats is that they can sail away on their own should they deposit they're helm in the wet stuff. I'm of the belief that when teaching beginners (young ones anyway) you don't want to foster a fear of capsizing and falling in. Of course the counterpoint to that is when you are trying to teach a group of beginners who are all too comfortable with falling in...
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 2:15pm
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Agree that capsizing (and learning how to right a boat, get it under control and sail away without help) is all part of learning to sail. The only times I can see that being different are when either teaching people with mobility problems or teaching the basics to someone who is going to go yachting, not dinghy sailing, once they are learned. Maybe some of the yacht charter places in the Med, or something.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 2:36pm
let them... they've got years of misery ahead of them when messing around in the water and jumping off their boat will be frowned upon.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 2:40pm
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Mast head floats are enough to give security when capsizing. Teaching using self righting boats is a step too far. Beginners need their boats to accurately reflect reality, that is how they learn good habits and are kept safe. I should add my experience of self righting or 'non capsizing ' dinghies is hat most will capsize, and many will not self right. A sailability centre learnt that the hard way not so long ago when a non capsizingcapsizing hawk did capsize and did not self right. Luckily no one drowned. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: hobbiteater
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 3:27pm
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it impossible to teach people about something if the thing you are teaching them with doesnt do the something.
Imagine trying to teach someone that the slamming the front brake on a bike on leads to a trip over the handlebars on a bike without a front brake
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 4:03pm
In Oz you have the benefit of warm water to fall into and non-frostbite-inducing-windchill when you're out of it. Either we fly all beginners to the med between March and October or we carry on with Oppy's, Toppers, Wayfarers, Fevas etc... as we have now. FWIW, I always recommend starting kids once it gets warm (doesn't need to be hot) as nothing like a cold, blowy day first time-out to put them off for life
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 16 Dec 13 at 6:31pm
Too right, when my son started sailing with some friends at around 10 in an old London dock for them the best bit of the whole experience was capsizing - they loved it (heaven knows what they swallowed!), and would spend any time they were allowed - on warm days - capsizing deliberately. My son went on doing that for years when he was out sailing for fun and it was warm. I always thought it was to be encouraged, it gave them loads of confidence in the water and loads of practice righting the boat, and you can never really have too much of that, unless you are in a race! ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 17 Dec 13 at 10:10am
+1. My kids are the same - the lads Topper spends more time upside down than the right way up on some days! ------------- What could possibly go wrong? |