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    Posted: 29 Jun 07 at 12:17pm
I wonder why the insistence on running the centre main to the floor? The Topper has done the same... IMNSHO off the boom is far more civilised and so much better for space in the boat.
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Absolutely, Jim.

The Miracles seem to have gone the same way, but off-the-boom is so much better, both for control and, more important on little boats, space.

Now, if only the Enterprises could see sense... Surely adding one (ratchet) block mid-boom is not asking too much? Nobody learning to sail nowadays will want to join a class with transom sheeting, whatever the merits (and I've no doubt it has some, but not enough to persuade me to return to facing aft during manoeuvres, ever!)

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I learnt with an aft main, I can use one but hell is it annoying, you have to twist against it if you're in a boat with a weak vang and its a plain pain in the #rse
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time to play devil's advecote...

with an aft mainsheet you have to face backwards in manouvers... okay, theres no way round that. but with a centre main you can face forward. however now i think about when im tacking im not actually sure i use the fact im looking forwards to see where im going. who on this forum can honestly say they look up when they tack? maybe in an off the boom boat its easier to keep looking up as your front hand isnt being pulled down, not sure. in the gybes its even more important to face up and see what the boats going to hit isnt it? but again do you actually use that advantage, in the laser i know im far too worried about getting a face full of aluminium so i just keep my head down and concentrate on when the main goes light to pull it across. again is it easier to avoid this in an off the boom boat? thoughts appreciated.

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Originally posted by JimC

I wonder why the insistence on running the centre main to the floor? The Topper has done the same... IMNSHO off the boom is far more civilised and so much better for space in the boat.

The new rules allow for the main sheet to be led either from the floor/thwart OR direct from the boom,  skiff style.  This gives some flexibility to owners to setup the boat to suit their requirements and sailing style.

 

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Centre main on beginners boats is another thing that puzzles me... Stern main is so much more practical to teach beginners rather than all that changing hands behind your back nonsense. Best to get on with that later when they know which way to point a boat.

There's also little or no evidence that centre main is actually faster: in Toppers when they did the trials it was proved that if anything stern main was marginally faster, and boats like N12s and the like use the stern main for preference.
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Originally posted by JimC

N12s and the like use the stern main for preference.

I have a centre main on my 12 and a few others sheet off the boom. But of course most 12's have transom sheeting as it makes space in the cockpit.

I don't see why you would want to learn a technique with a system that you'd then have to change when you progressed in the sport ... why just not get it sorted from the outset?

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> I don't see why you would want to learn a technique
> with a system that you'd then have to change when you
> progressed in the sport

Common enough in all sorts of situations. In computer programming, in high jump, in driving, in science, in many different kinds of endeavours techniques that are appropriate when you're starting out aren't appropriate at advanced level. Don't you think that's a just a tiny little bit like saying you should buy a Musto Skiff as your first boat because that's what you fancy ending up sailing?

I find I can teach a beginner reasonable tacking technique with a transom main far faster: its just so much more intuitive. They can then get on with the rest of the 5 essentials and the rest of it. Once all that is dialed in and they have a reasonable feel for a boat they can get on with the more complex things. And, you know, I think I'd still have a transom main if I were setting up a moderate powered boat for cruising and casual sailing... Guess I'm just old fashioned then.
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Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by JimC

N12s and the like use the stern main for preference.

I have a centre main on my 12.



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the biggest arse with aft main is gybing if you have a long tiller extension and a short boat. I also think you have slightly less feeling coming from the boom with aft sheeting esp when gybing. Hence why I sheeted off the boom in my N12 around '91. But I found eventually it was more comfy for everyone in the boat to go back to aft and get used to it. I would think I would be plumbing for aft in a mirror. But if you have come from an Oppy it's going to be a lot easier to jump straight in to a Mirror with center main. Just better make sure the poor crew wears something to protect the neck otherwise I can just imagine the teenage arguments that will kick off!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote WildWood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 07 at 4:28pm

I find with the aft mainsheet on the Enterprise I get pulled down the deck toward the back of the boat when sheeted in in breezy weather.  I've just fitted a ratchet to try to prevent that though!

I wouldn't want to go centre main as it just wouldn't work in an Ent.  I don't find the facing back when tacking or gybing a problem at all - like Mike Ellis says when you're sailing centre main you're not normally focusing on looking forward anyway.  Surely on boats with 8ft long extensions half most of your attention is on not getting them tangled up, and def. not facing forward?

For me the place the main sheets from is a pretty minor consideration as long as the boat feels good to steer and sails nicely.

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