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    Posted: 30 Apr 07 at 10:47am

Moral victory to Mr Roger D. in the blue corner.  The other bloke's a cad.

 

 
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Originally posted by rogerd

Mark & Jim.

Thankyou. That clarifies the situation even though its not the result I want to hear. I was boat A. Things got a little heated between boat B and the OOD yesterday so I said I would look into it and abide by the current rules. To be honest I was chuffed to be in the running at all.

OOuch, seems unfair to me. My sympathies. Pierre's right, You're the moral victor . 



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Originally posted by JimC



Funnily enough it came up in a Open at my club this weekend too, 1,2,3,1 beat 2,1,1,2. What made it particularly ironic was that 2,1,1,2 was the guy who wrote the SIs that said standard appendix A and thus cost him the 1st place.

Again ... if you are sitting on a 2,1,1 there is no way they other guy should have been able to win the final race ...
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I think 'no way the other guy should have been able to win the final race' is probably a bit strong. Even the very best sailors in the world could not absolutely 100% stop someone beating them.

Take your point though!
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I feel I have to qualify.This was handicap racing he was in a YW Dayboat and I had to beat him by some distance to win on Handicap in a Wayfarer. The Daybarge as we affectionately call them has a bit of an advantage on our puddle so I was pleased to get the result I did. Add to that my crap start in the final race I needed to finish 6 minutes ahead of him and finished about four and a half ahead.

Life is full of if onlys.......... ho hum

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Originally posted by rogerd

I feel I have to qualify.This was handicap racing he was in a YW Dayboat and I had to beat him by some distance to win on Handicap in a Wayfarer. The Daybarge as we affectionately call them has a bit of an advantage on our puddle so I was pleased to get the result I did. Add to that my crap start in the final race I needed to finish 6 minutes ahead of him and finished about four and a half ahead.

Life is full of if onlys.......... ho hum

 

I had assumed class racing ... but ...

As the owner of the faster boat you could of sat on him hard, if he escaped use your speed to get back in front and then do it again and again ...



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Sorry if this just shows I've never sailed in handicap races (or many fleet races for that matter!) but would that not just mean the slow boat comprehensively beats the fast boat and you're in the same position, but with a bigger discard for the fast boat? 
Edit: Or is the aim solely to prevent the slow boat getting first place?

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I see no point in sitting on a boat that i need to beat by a substantial margin on the water to beat him on handicap. That would just give him the race. If I hadnt let him get away ahead of me he wouldnt have slowed me down up the first beat I might have got away far enough to beat him by the required time. 
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Frankly, I find the idea of sitting on someone hard pretty unsporting, and liable to lead to bad feeling - we're not professionals and are in this for fun after all.

I thought racing was all about finding the best sailor, and to my mind the better sailor is the one who can sail his boat fastest round the course, not the one who can use the rules to b*gg*r people up.

Sympathies to Rogerd, you are indeed the moral victor. Time for the ISAF to change the rules to obviate the need to b*gg*r people up.
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Originally posted by CurlyBen

Sorry if this just shows I've never sailed in handicap races (or many fleet races for that matter!) but would that not just mean the slow boat comprehensively beats the fast boat and you're in the same position, but with a bigger discard for the fast boat?   

You would be able to sail the slow boat down the fleet (in handicap terms); and if they did escape you can just catch them up again.  you would bea ble to keep them in dirty air for the whole race;   It would work if the other boat would lose if the result of this race was a big discard for the slow boat (and a worse discard) for the fast boat.  Basically if the series was to be split on discards and the fast boat has a better discard going into this race, then the fast boat can sail the slow boat down the fleet so ensuring the slow boat has to count their (worse) discard as both boats will take this race as their discard.  

 

So in summary, it would work !

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