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Fin. 
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 Topic: Which One Design?Posted: 20 Feb 07 at 12:58pm |
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From your original message: "....X332 would be in price range (up to £80k syndicate)" Sigma's are going fairly reasonable price - I think between £25-40K is typical for a 2nd hand boat. Even if you get an old boat, so long as you've got new sails, I don't think there's much difference in performance. Same spars, same sailmaker ! Can't beat it - otherwise as previously suggested go for smaller boats - SB3 1720, soling.... whatever for truer OD racing. If based in Aberdeen, Sigma could be a good boat - I would think it be more sea-worthy than the lighter and modern 31.7's. certainly if you're cruising. BTW - there's an race this summer that could be of interest to you : Royal Forth YC - Orkney Race (Granton to Lerwick) Race http://www.rfyc.org/download.html (7th June).
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damp_freddie
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Posted: 20 Feb 07 at 1:35pm |
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The trouble with sigmas is that they are dying out and anyway I wouldn't advise anyone to sail one competitevly-personally. I worked my way "up" to main and 2nd helm on a couple of 33s in my apprenticeship and god they are uncomfortable and boring to helm. Good racing when there were more than 10 out and clyde boats were very good ten years ago. I take your observation stefan- the movement seems to be to SBs- which is good for the sport IMHO. I think he/she (couple) are pretty open minded and minted to an extent more than comfortable so where they sail is not restricted to scotland.
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damp_freddie
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Posted: 20 Feb 07 at 1:38pm |
not half! clyde did offer in 1994/5/6 seasons- etchells (small numbers but OD none the less), sonatas, pipers/LLs/garelochs, flying fifteens, 1720s, Europe 8ms, sonatas, sigma 33s and a couple of starts at least for sigma 38s and impalas. I think people went check book racing and looking for "cruising potential" i.e. devil IRC / CYCA handicaps to get a look in over the usual suspects in OD. All this "cruising potential" rubbish- no delivery more comfortable than 50mph up the M6!!
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 20 Feb 07 at 2:10pm |
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For once, Freddie and I can agree. I helmed S/33s offshore quite a lot at one time and the helming position seemed expressly designed to damage your back. Downwind, when a puff hits, they just heel a bit more. The closest you get to excitement is when they threaten to death roll, which they are liable to do running in a breeze. They provided good OD racing in their day but I wouldn't care to sail one today. |
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Fin.
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Posted: 20 Feb 07 at 5:53pm |
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Sigma 33 - helm/mainsheet - it's a bit cramped at the back of that small cockpit - but that's a reflection of the boats age and design. the topic is, OD racing in yachts in which you could sleep aboard. I don't think there's another class that actually caters for that. 31.7s are OD, X332s possibly are but are still pricy, apart from that I don't think there's anything else apart from sigma38s! Yachts of that size, you otherwise have to race under IRC... other alternatives- go a bit smaller -
you could always race folkboats - there very competative - and I think they are strict about mesurements as well.
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damp_freddie
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Posted: 21 Feb 07 at 1:45pm |
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Fin..or H boats for that matter! I may have to say that an SB3 and maybe a sigma 33 just for cruising and the odd coastal hack/RtI may be where I swing, although I do like Impalas. Clyde Impala would be a good starting point though, to get their head round running a keel boat and not a fireball ---they have some good sailors again and may build up. Anyone in agreement? |
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damp_freddie
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Posted: 21 Feb 07 at 2:28pm |
Coming into a leeward mark in the top third of the fleet at Cork week, on the one windy-ish day in 97, it was near carnage with everyone daring to go by the lee a little to avoid gybing onto port. Many hair raising broaches about. The two boats I sailed on had both regular crew and lists which ran into the mid twenties in numbers! So yeah, I think the days of attracting people to something which is exciting are passed for the sm33 |
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Fin.
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Posted: 22 Feb 07 at 9:16am |
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"".....or H boats for that matter!"" - good one, nice looking boat. something I would consider myself (but I just bought a dinghy - see different forum - so not on the cards at the moment). But Impalas might be worth the investigation. I don't know how many of them there are these days.
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 22 Feb 07 at 9:23am |
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http://www.impala28.info/ - most information is in the forum. They have a reasonable amount going on, much of it in Scotland by the look of it. Not much in the Solent these days.
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WildWood
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Posted: 22 Feb 07 at 9:30am |
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I'd rather a Sigma 33 over an Impala for defo! The Impala is pretty limited in comfort down stairs and is basically just a big Sonata. There aren't really that many about in good shape either, as they have been out of production for a long time. Interesting also that you think an Impala would be more exciting than a Sigma. I think they are essentially just the same hull shape at a different scale, coming from the very same era. You'd be better off getting a 1720 / SB3. Much more like dinghy sailing and more exciting. Either that of forget the OD racing and get stuck into IRC. I've raced IRC at several events and it is very close and seems pretty fair (if you sail well then you do well!). That way you're not so limited in type of boat and you can race in a big fleet. |
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. They accommodate crew, sleep 3, 4 at a push... |
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