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    Posted: 09 Feb 09 at 2:04pm
At my local Golf Club, Mid Herts, there is a huge joining fee, but in return you take an equity share in the club. Is it the same with sailing clubs?

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Originally posted by Roger

Originally posted by turnturtle

[QUOTE=winging it] I also wondered what people thought about joining
fees.


a necessary evil- there was a thread on here a while back criticising the
Hayling joining fee, but ultimately if they have a waiting list why not charge
a premium???

Often a topic of debate at Club AGM's!    Those in favour of joining fees are often those folk who, like me, literally built their club a generation back so don't underestimate how wound up some of the older members can get on this subject. But that was then and this is now, times are different and peoples expectation of what they're going to get from a club have changed.  A big joining fee (and that good old locked gate) basically tells the world that newcomers are tolerated at best. Not a good idea!!

A small joining fee can be quite handy though, as it's a little incentive for the existing member to join again at subs renewal time..

But I'm from the small club/volunteer tradition, I guess the bigger clubs may take a more commercial view, eg what the market will accept etc.

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Firstly, Andy, I have just come from Farmoor and always found them to be very friendly, though the boat parking is at a premium, which would be why they want to charge.  I would simply wait and join in March, or take out winter membership.

Between us she and I have four boats, so I'll be joining Grafham for the contender, because I need regular practice and lots of water to fall into, and almost certainly Hunts for the rest of the fleet, because I've had some very positive emails from the commodore and there's a good chance of doing some voluntary coaching/instructing, which is actually pretty important to me.  They also have a phantom fleet, with an altered handicap to suit my aged craft.  Fees are reasonable and boat fees are ok ish, half the price of boat storage at Grafham.

I will, by the way, be taking out my Grafham membership at the dinghy show because they have a special deal where if you do so they waive the fairly hefty £80 joining fee.
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Give me a shout then, I'll be on the stand from 10am till 11-30 (then to the Bar!)

Oh, and I had a contender for a few years too, and can put you in touch with a fellow owner when you join.

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I look forward to seeing you at Hunts then Nessa, look out for the tall bloke in the turqoise 8.1 and come and say hello.

Oh and I second that for Les, he came over and said hello when i did the GGP a couple of years ago.


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Originally posted by Scooby_simon


Grafham IS the bets bit of water around and has
rescue cover all week.


 



The very fact that the club/water board(?) rules require
there to be safety cover whenever there is someone on
the water would put me off right from the start. I've
never sailed on a lake like this so I don't really know
how it works, but somehow the idea sterilises the sport
a bit. Some of the best sailing I've had has been mid
week on a day off when there was nobody else on the
lake.

I'm lucky on Ullswater where there are no such rules and
you can sail whenever you like on a (very) big stretch
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Originally posted by PlankyPlank

The very fact that the club/water board(?) rules require there to be safety cover whenever there is someone on the water would put me off right from the start.

Unfortunately this will be the case on any reservoir... Its only at places like Ullswater where there's a right of public access that you'd be able to sail on your own. There aren't many lakes like that in Southern England...
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Originally posted by PlankyPlank

[QUOTE=Scooby_simon]

Grafham IS the bets bit of water around and has
rescue cover all week.

/QUOTE]

The very fact that the club/water board(?) rules require
there to be safety cover whenever there is someone on
the water would put me off right from the start. I've
never sailed on a lake like this so I don't really know
how it works, but somehow the idea sterilises the sport
a bit. Some of the best sailing I've had has been mid
week on a day off when there was nobody else on the
lake.

I'm lucky on Ullswater where there are no such rules and
you can sail whenever you like on a (very) big stretch
of water.


Surely this is a good thing?  One of the main reasons I have chosen Grafham is that I can sail there almost any time I like and still know that should I fall over one time too many someone will notice.  It's not as if the safety cover is going to be shadowing my every move, and I think Grafham is easily big enough for you to get a sense of isolation if you want to, so surely this option offers the best of all worlds?

I have sailed at clubs where you could sail without cover, and indeed did so, especially on Wimbleball in the middle of lovely Exmoor, so I do get you're coming from, but I don't see the harm in having safety cover - it's not as if it restricts you in anyway.

Thanks to Paul and Les - look forward to meeting you soon!
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Have you noticed that everyone who has contributed to this thread seems to combine sailing ( a cheap and easy accessible sport) with the closely related, but by no means identical pastime (ruiniously expensive) of owning a boat.

Which club should a crew join? I would say firstly - the one with a big one design fleet, as that is the best way to learn and develop. Doesn't really matter which class as long as you are more or less the right size. Secondly, a club that turns out quality race officials, because that is a guarantee of good, fair, intelligently run racing. Thirdly, a club that has developed those forms of our sport that do not rely on owning a boat - team racing, match racing.

In some areas clubs are pricing themselves out of the market - perhaps more a problem here in Ireland than the UK. In which case a competent crew can simply join his MNA as a direct member , and contribute in that way to the development of the sport.

Finally - as a race official I rarely enter a club without being a member - all good SIs should grant temporary memebershiàp to competitors and race official at events - if only to satisfy the requiements of the bar licence!

Clubs should not charge joining fees - bit reduce subscriptions after a certain number of years membership.

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Originally posted by gordon

Have you noticed that everyone who has contributed to this thread seems to combine sailing ( a cheap and easy accessible sport) with the closely related, but by no means identical pastime (ruiniously expensive) of owning a boat.
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Not necessarily. Many of the clubs in my region (east midlands) have annual subs around £200/year. I raced an old £800 Laser last year which won me the odd race at club level, and I guess if I wanted to sell it I'd make most if not all my money back. I get annoyed at the blanket argument that "sailing is expensive", yes it can be but with a bit of thought dinghy racing can be cheap as chips.
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