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BBSCFaithfull 
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 Topic: New boat choicePosted: 30 Nov 06 at 5:09pm |
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Im twinning in th 14 and 9er at 8knots. Cant comment on the b14 but they do look cool! 4k is a bit of a pig to get going in the light stuff. But when you practice in the lighter stuff its all good
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MikeBz
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Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 1:29pm |
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I think very few Northern hemisphere B14s have the crew play the mainsheet (I know of plenty who don't, am not aware of any who do). The B14 isn't hard on the knees for the helmsman, contrary ti what one might think. Mie |
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m_liddell
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Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 12:43pm |
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You like 'the thrill of trapezing' and have a knee problem. This must rule out the B14. If you want fleet racing I'd got the 800. It a great boat and not too hard to sail, anyone coming from a 4k will be fine. It planes pretty early (esp upwind) and you can always just sail it single wired if there isn't too much wind. Most dinghies need 8knts to be fun (imo), getting a boat that will be as fun as windsurfing in < 10knts will be challanging on a budget.
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RodB
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Joined: 01 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 75 |
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Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 10:18am |
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Hi folks Thanks for all the replies. It's quite hard to make emotive decisions like which boat you would like to sail when you have to suddenly factor in fitness ability, which up till now,frankly, i've never really thought about. It;s always been about finding time, and money to pursue the sport. Feelin my age i guess. Slight goin off at a tangent for a mo. The justification for time/money spent on sailing for me, is dependent upon the racing and social scene which is generated by having an active fleet. Without these, i may as well just buy a fun boat which i take out for a thrash. Which is what i'm kind of doing at the moment. However if sailing folks see me out having fun, you never know they may want to come out and play too. This philosophy seems to work for windsurfing. So the secret to sailing regeneration in Plymouth maybe is, at first to buy cheap, rewarding to sail, fast. fun boats all sailing at on location together. However we do need some sort of organisation so potential sailers can have some direction to make these sort of decisions. Otherwise we will all just go off and do our own thing in our own time. It's a great shame. So many great boats to sail and so little time. Maybe need a new thread to discuss on thoughts how to regenerate sailing and keep it going in 2007? The days of traditionally run sailing clubs are dead and gone for us |
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combat wombat
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Joined: 16 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 345 |
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Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 8:26am |
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Blue kite? That was us. You might have heard me shouting to
my helm "up, up, UP! GO HIGH!" Think our kite hit you but
luckily the bowsprit/wing didn't! Sorry bout that. We
seemed so very slightly quicker upwind but it was a tiny
difference.
In the light I would probably bet on you. |
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wetandwindy
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Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 1:28am |
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Yep that was us. We were going slowly out of a gybe when a B14 nearly ran us down (guess that was you, Sorry
 ). On the Sunday we seemed to be beating a fair few of the B14s and I don't think we were gaining any ground upwind. In the windy stuff I would expect the B14 to be quicker due to a better righting moment (and I could do to gain about 20kg). In the light stuff it could be close.
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RULE 99.9 section A: Fast boats with big spinnakers have right of way.
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combat wombat
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Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 12:17am |
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The 59er didn't really bother us when we sailed against them (on same
course) at Grafham. Fair enough, it may have been as fast upwind
(poor technique on our part, the top B14's nailed them) but downwind
there was no competition... we almost crashed into one downwind as we
closed so fast! The extra size of the kite makes a big difference
downwind.
B14er... agree about the kite bag, it isn't as hard as it looks, and it trains you for the 18ft Skiff. On a gybe drop I reckon we are as quick at dropping as a chute-equipped boat. Windward drop though, much slower. Apparently blow the tack line first! |
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wetandwindy
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Posted: 29 Nov 06 at 11:32pm |
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Have you considered the 59er? It creams along in light wind and should give 800s and B14s a run for their money speed wise. It's a lot lighter than the 4000 and is very comfortable to hike from so should be easy on the knees.
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RULE 99.9 section A: Fast boats with big spinnakers have right of way.
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redback
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Posted: 29 Nov 06 at 10:52pm |
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I'd say you've got to get racing. I also think high performance boats are poor performance boats at 10K and less - its only the racing that makes them interesting. A 4000 is an easy boat to sail in light to medium winds when you don't have all the other considerations of racing. In fact I've met many people who claim to have mastered 4000s and 800s when on holiday in Majorca or similar and then make a real pigs ear when racing. You are never going to find a boat which is exciting to sail in 10K or less and in many ways the high performance boats are optimised for high speed which they are not going to reach at that wind speed. In fact some high performance boats are dogs in light winds. Racing is what adds the edge. However if you are going to go out in 25K or more the 4000 is the boat unless you are an aspiring olympian and funnily enough the 4000 is probably the best of all those mentioned in the sub 10K speed also. |
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b14er
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Posted: 29 Nov 06 at 2:45pm |
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. . . regarding crew workload - I find it better for the helm than the 49er where there was not enough to do and the guy at the back could get cold!. Agility and balance is more important than strength for the crew. The crew has an enormous impact on boatspeed upwind (playing the jib in gusts) and downwind (preventing the 29sq m kite throwing you in the p*ss).
The spinnaker bag issue is a real red herring - once you have perfected the techniques it isn't any harder than a chute drop (though a few seconds slower) - but the spinnakers last a LOT longer in competitive condition. B14 762 |
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