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Topic: Dinghies in 2020Posted: 26 Jan 09 at 3:45pm |
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I think there will be a period of consolidation, with much fewer new designs over the next 10 years than we've had over the last 10. After the boom years of the 60s when so many great boats were designed, the 70's and especially the 80's were very barren - perhaps partly due to boat overload and parly due to a stagnation in materials technology. I do think we will see some rotomoulded boats with carbon masts soon though. I think the bigger changes will be in the clubs and the racing scene - perhaps fewer clubs and higher fees for more professional help. Classes will co-operate more closely and things like Fastsail may become more popular. Handicap racing will develop and perhaps there will be Bloody Mary/ Tiger Trophy type events in the summer. Closely located clubs may have more reciprocal events with each other. |
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Posted: 26 Jan 09 at 3:55pm |
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If there is to be any future for the none SMOD classes I seriously think
they have to consider some form of commu-marketing. In my musings as to how I'd get boats like the Alto/V3000/Blaze going for example they should consider setting up a Class a la TASA. It's members would be stock/shareholders all with a demo boat at their locale, commission/profit from any sales of which would go to existing member/shareholders, every newcomer then also becomes a shareholder etc etc. Sort of Commucapitolism (My invention for the economics of the future). The class holds regattas as part promotional/ part hobby and further developments/other boats added to the scheme get agreed by a small committee based on the designers and builders. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Posted: 26 Jan 09 at 3:56pm |
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The first dinghies to get up on foils were during the 60s. So yes, it had certainly been imagined. But it took various advances, especially in materials, to make them work reasonably practically and usefully. Advances in materials drive a lot of changes, but the trouble is in some ways we're getting into diminishing returns. For instance a moth that's 25% lighter than current ones is still only about 10lbs lighter, or the weight of soggy sailing gear... A singlehander rig that has as good gust reponse on all points of sailing as twin spreader skiff rigs do when the boom is on the transom or further in would be quite an advance. For all the talk I'm not convinced the Bethwaite Byte rig is quite there yet. And good gust response without all the wires of teh twin spreader ris would be even better... |
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Posted: 26 Jan 09 at 4:50pm |
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But the N12 was slow last time I looked? Who has really tried a T-foil at low speeds. There is a huge amount of development opportunity here. |
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Posted: 26 Jan 09 at 5:59pm |
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John Medowcroft is tinkering with foils and I know Gavin has but they have yet to come anywhere near winning the nationals although JM did win the Burton cup last year. |
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Posted: 27 Jan 09 at 9:36am |
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The Y&Y website kept track of national attendance from 1998 onwards. I've had a look in the database for 1998: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classes/attendance1998.htm Go analyse! You can see 2000 onwards here: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classes/?s=44 |
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Posted: 28 Jan 09 at 12:56pm |
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I would like to use a word here
OK HERE GOES NICHE! |
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Posted: 28 Jan 09 at 2:32pm |
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NICHE = not invented class<yet> highly expensive?
or Now Interesting Class, However Exclusive or Never International Class Highly English? or Not Impressive Class, However Extreme anyone on this thread remember going to their local SC at the time and saying "GP14, Laser, Enterprise, Solo.... these are all so old hat, they'll be gone in 20 years time...." - if you did, bet you wish you hadn't, if you didn't.... bear it in mind and also the fact that dinghy sailing is a leisure pursuit loved by a significant minority of the population, done professionally by very few, and to a large extent NOT the #1 priority when it comes to personal/family funds! for the next 1-3 years the emphasis will be on local sailing for the majority so classes strong in local clubs will prosper and those are already with us - cost of transport and time compression will be the main influences here.... perhaps we may see even the biggest classes going towards a 2-3 day regatta rather than a 4-5 days format for nationals with only multi-class events like Salcombe Week, Abersoch DW continuing with the week long 'holiday' format....next 1-3years will be a lowsy time to launch new designs as initial sales volumes will likely mean ROI point is too far in future for all but the most dedicated or personally rich..... If we are not time and cash rich... why use our leisure time buying ultra-light, high-performance, tweaky craft at great expense when we could just go down the club, get changed (10mins), rig a simple boat that isn't too expensive (20-30mins) and go sailing? - oh yeah,,,,, it's fun !! ![]() so in 2020 - I'd like to be able to buy a reasonably high performance dinghy (PY <1000), one-design as possible, which has a centerboard and non-fixed rudder, modern carbon 3-sail rig, capable of being sailed by 1-2 people, rigged quickly (and de-rigged) and with minimal running costs beyond new sails - if someone could invent a 'telescopic Spitfire' that I could park in my monohull space I'd be well chuffed! !Edited by getafix |
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Posted: 28 Jan 09 at 2:45pm |
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Maybe virtual reality computer games will be so advanced they can recreate the feeling of sailing, and none of us will bother to physically go to a club, and launch an actual boat.....?
I do hope not! (Though it won't be hard - the computer will just need to cost £1000 every 6 months, and have a refridgeration unit to chill the water it sprays on you.) |
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i'd love to see the virtual reality suit that can replicate the feeling of going over the nose when you go down the mine !
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