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s.a.l.t.y ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Apr 08 Location: Costa del Essex Online Status: Offline Posts: 517 |
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Those parasails have been around for a while now. they
are supposedly a lot more efficient than a conventional spinnaker and give more bow lift. According to the blurb they are quite easy to trim. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Can't imagine what that's about. Slats generally run span-wise rather than chord-wise like in that kite. Never seen a wing that had a chordwise slot just around the area of peak pressure coefficient (just where you wouldn't want it). Maybe the parasail does give some lift, but the word 'hype' comes to mind. Anyone seen a tandem keel lately (at least the slot is in the right direction on those). |
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Strawberry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1337 |
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![]() I think the general idea is that it leaks a concentrated slot of pressure over a kite. |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Strawberry, you could almost be an engineer with a diagram like that. You are of course right, but if it really worked you'd have expected the AC teams to have lapped it up !
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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And VOR, and TP52, and any other major pro-circuit. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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If you think about aspect ratio and tip losses it seems a very odd thing to do.
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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If Strawberries understanding of the designer's theory is right, then I can't see how it can work. Firstly, it can only work (as drawn by Strawberry) if the wind is aft of the beam - which is very limiting and doesn't appear to be the case in the picture posted by Jack Sparrow. Secondly, and more importantly, air does not flow from the edges to the centre, so it won't be 'funnelled' through the gap. |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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From an aerodynamic point of view the sketch by Strawberry is very simpistic but to laymen gets the general theory across.
Chewy, you are however right that it relies on the wind to be a long way aft, and also that air does not flow from the edges to the centre. The analogy to aircraft and the point made earlier about not having chordwise slots on aircraft explains exactly why this doesnt really work with spinnakers, however the high pressure flow on the inner surface will flow through the slot and clearly does otherwise the "lip" would not inflate. The energy losses in this system would lead to reduced performance of the spinnaker however the small vertical component created by the lip may reduce the tendancy to drop the spinni in the water while dropping it if the halyard is just blown, instead you might actually have to drag the spinni down which I guess if you are shorthanded on a large cruising yacht, not overly concerned with performance isnt a bad thing. For those seeking performance enhancements ie more power its clear that this is not the way forward. |
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scruff ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 03 Feb 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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I seem to remember when this new kite was used on the ARC a few years ago that the lip also acts as a kind of batten - (think kitesurfer kite) which enables the shoulders of the kite to be wider without collapsing.
I think that on anything on a direct run, the kite would be useless performance wise, but I *think* that the idea is to provide a more stable kite for long downwind runs - think trade wind transat stuff.... Just my 2p though... |
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