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    Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 10:59pm

Originally posted by Villan

Or maybe you know exactly what the rest of us know, and are too busy skiing to bother making a fuss atm? 

 

Not skiing that much at present - 2 cracks in my toes / fractures at the Cat open have slowed me down somewhat; only doing a few hours a week, and non this week yet.  First time I put my Boos on they could hear me outside!

Wanna learn to Ski - PM me..
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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

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I have to say the cat lobby have gone very quiet ... perhaps thay have been told not to rock the boat at the ISAF conference whilst ISAF get the 11th medal lined up with the IOC ...

Maybe we know more than we are letting on.

I susepct there is somthing going on ....



The 11th Medal is already on the agenda for today Smile
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Affordable established International class sailed by women in a large number of countries on several continents. With sail numbers in the 30,000, and a well established Womens Worlds, sounds like a shoe in for the........ SNIPE!

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To change the topic a bit, interesting piece from the Finns on the front page about setting up a builder in Brazil... There have been various submissions to ISAF conferences in recent years that suggest that there are quite a few countries that resent the SMOD classes because everything must be imported.

The One design classes like the 470 and Tornado have an appreciable selling point there if they can work things so that different builders' boats are as close as possible in performance (something they tend to seek to do anyway), and even if your Olympic contender has to go abroad there must be mileage in being able to build up local fleets more cheaply.
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Submission no, but selection yes unless there was a secret recommendation out of the trials... To quote again...
17. ISAF EVENTS
Selection of Classes for ISAF Events
17.1 Only ISAF Classes shall be selected for ISAF events.
17.1.1 Notwithstanding Regulation 17.1, the Council may approve a non-ISAF Class boat for ISAF Match Racing and Team Racing events other than Olympic events.
17.1.2 Notwithstanding Regulation 17.1, the Council may approve the selection of a non-ISAF Class boat that has been recommended as a result of an ISAF Equipment Evaluation.

Jim,

Below if from the submission document ... this overode the above.

Originally posted by ISAF doc


Equipment Selection - Notes to Classes:

Submissions for Equipment for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition

The Events & Equipment Selection Working Party (WP) is charged with gathering

data to provide an objective comparison between the Equipment options proposed

for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition.

To do this the WP needs the assistance of the Classes and asks that you provide us

with as much data as possible on the Equipment you are proposing. We ask that

your Submission contains all of this information. Your Submission should be made in

electronic format and should be a maximum of 25 pages. The onus of deciding what

information you provide to us is yours, but we are asking for specific areas of

information to be addressed as outlined below.

The deadline for Submissions is 15 March 2008 and Submissions must be made in

accordance with ISAF Regulation 1. If the Class / Equipment is not eligible to make a

Submission please contact the ISAF Secretariat for guidance.

That last line give them all the freedom they need to select anything ...

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Well it looks like the 29erXX got it then and the 470 is out..

I still can't believe it..
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Well it looks like the 29erXX got it then and the 470 is out..

I still can't believe it..

Nice try Grumpfs but the meeting dosn't start until 14:30

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From the front page story, criteria taken into consideration...

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Factors for the Council to consider in making their decision are:

  • Only International Classes shall sail in the Olympic Sailing Competition
  • Criteria for selecting Events & Equipment is:

    (i) allow athletes around the world, male, female and of different sizes and weights to participate;

    (ii) give the best sailors in each country the opportunity to participate in readily accessible equipment;

    (iii) combine both traditional and modern events and classes, to reflect, display and promote competitive sailing;

    (iv) include at least two events for men and two events for women designed to maximise excitement, innovation, public and media appeal; and

    (v) meet the International Olympic Committee's criteria (if any) for participation in the Olympic Programme and achieve the current International Olympic Committee's objective (if any) for the minimum level of participation for women;"

Point iv - presumably the two "exciting" men's events are 49er and RSX (now the big T has gone). If two "exciting" women's events are required, the writing could be on the wall for the 470...

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470W stays in 19 votes against 16.
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Originally posted by kanga

470W stays in 19 votes against 16.

Suprised it was a close as that... Must say I think they've got that right. Ditching the 470, which is popular with the small countries, for a boat that seems to have few boats anywhere, didn't come out of the trials well, apparently has has no class racing and seems to still be in development doesn't sound like the smartest of decisions to me. I wish Julian had done the job properly and designed a new hull...
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