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    Posted: 02 Jan 05 at 5:56pm

Well but the beauty of those boats is you can just sell it on for the new tech. boat every couple of years.

Yeh i think i agree with the fireball being big, we're thinking of getting one after the worlds 2nd hand, there should be some good deals then, or an rs200.



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Originally posted by Harry44981!

brian i doubt the 29er will be around for ages, itll prob. be dead by the time you've even sailed one!


Dunno, the Bethwaite classes have generally done well for longevity. The Laser 2 is the only one that really looks well down in the UK and there are lots elsewhere in the world. The only one that really seems to be on the way out (well never started really) is the 3000, which AIUI was just a new deck and rig slung on the L2 hull (labelled stopgap!) without the kind of R&D the Betwhaites do on their boats.
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Well a Contender sailor just had to answer the last post regarding the RS700

If you look back at the start of the RS600 everyone thought it would kill off the Contender - but it didn't. And it now looks like the 600 will be the one that does not survive. This is because the RS700 has taken sailors from the 600s.

The RS700 also has competition from the Musto Skiffs. The difference here is that the Mustos are marketed differently and seem to have more of a European coverage. Only time will tell if both boats can "survive" and be successful.
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Anyone having an opinion on the RS700 in the future?
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brian i doubt the 29er will be around for ages, itll prob. be dead by the time you've even sailed one!
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Now which boats are going to endure?  Since the Laser2000 has been mentioned, I'd say this is a boat which has found a good niche.  It's a bit like the Enterprise.  Not too heavy and a little bit lively and because they are "off the peg" ideal for training and club ownership.  In fact our club has bought 2 to hire out for racing and for training, however I'm told they are a little too lively for training. I think they are a boat which will endure. 

We have also bought 2 Feva's for the same purpose but they are less successful.  We thought they'd be attractive to young teens and we thought they were a good boat encompassing many of the qualities of the Topax and Pico but a bit more racey.  The mylar sails however are fragile and do not tolerate the misuse they get from the inexperienced.  I believe woven sails are available, but the boats have been a dissapointment.

The Osprey has already endured and now they are contemplating a carbon rig.  As long as its not very expensive I think this is the way to go.  This is something a strict one design like a Laser4000 would find difficult to do (and ironically this would be a particularly effective mod to a 4000).
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I guess so long as the 470 remains an Olympic class then it must have a future of sorts, but in general club terms I really don't know.  It's not a bad boat as such and I do know that people seek out ones to buy on the second hand market.  Maybe the the last Olympics will give it a revival this year? I know the people who sail them seem to be pretty damn good, just not a lot of them, and the class doesn't get pushed alot outside of the Olympic squad type of activity.

I have to admit I nearly bought a 4000 last year (in addition to the Osprey), but was headed off at the pass by my dear wife, who doesn't understand boat greed at all.

At my club, alot of people are buying L2000's.  Mainly families who want to race. I think its only downfall is that although you can fit a trapeze, it's not "in class" for racing.  Seems a bit of a shame really.

I think as in every sport there is a kind of levelling going on at the moment. My guess is that we'll get more people coming into the sport but they'll just be spread across all the classes.  I think you have to think of dinghy ownership a bit like classic cars.  There'll always be someone there to keep a few afloat no matter what.  Not saying that's a good or bad thing, just my feeling.
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I must say Fastsail seems like a good idea.  If I weren't so in love with my Laser4000 I'd seriously think about one of the Fastsail boats.  What I'm trying to say is that Fastsail makes its adopted classes even more attractive.  I wonder about the 470 though, has it got a future?
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yeah, people will only buy the RS800 while it is the cutting edge, when newer and faster boats come out then it will be forgotten

Long live the cheap boats! (except the topper!)
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Posts: 736 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 05 at 8:10pm

ith ink redbacks got it there, if a boats appeal is new technology, fast etc. then that'll bring it down in the end, when the new faster, better, cheaper boats come out.

THe prophet has spoken.

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