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    Posted: 16 Apr 06 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Charles Fish

What to do this bank holiday if you've got an old mirror and your bored!


If that actualy floats then fair play to whoever put the effort in!
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What to do this bank holiday if you've got an old mirror and your bored!
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[QUOTE=Jack Sparrow] So you want 12's to become a
smaller class do you? etc...


All excellent points, and astonishingly familiar from somewhen...[/
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Touché

If I read you right.... there's a slightly different market situation but I take
your point.
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...how about impact vests, body armour, and maybe a full frontal labotomy

come on these guys are big girls

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Originally posted by timnoyce

I think that Phil was meaning for safety reasons Daryl! Keep the rules the same, but they should all chip in and buy those guys helmets!

 

...how about impact vests, body armour, and maybe a full frontal labotomy

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The other side of the semi pin tail is that the centre of lift downwind is going to be futher forward than other 12s, which in turn means that the crew weight is effectively further aft. And the deep V aft means you don't pay such a penalty for pitching the stern down too far.


good point on the boyancy distribution, wont help when they fall over backwards on a tack. even a t-foil wont help them then


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This boat is going to be *very* interesting, but I still refuse any predictions.


Probably the most sensible thing to say.

I cant wait to see it finished and on the water. I think they will have some other trick up their sleaves possibly the little fins I think I remember seeing on the pintail moths before they put them on the rudders
If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

So you want 12's to become a smaller class do you? etc...


All excellent points, and astonishingly familiar from somewhen...
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I think that Phil was meaning for safety reasons Daryl! Keep the rules the same, but they should all chip in and buy those guys helmets!
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Originally posted by Granite



I think I would want a T-Foil rudder on it, pitty they are banned in the
12's




So you want 12's to become a smaller class do you? T foils will add
considerably to the cost, not just in the short term ( the actually
equipment cost ) but longer term as well. Because they will effect hull
shapes dramatically so the well sponsored boats can develop and build
new hulls and the old boats are instantly in-competitive. Currently the
12-footers are competitive across the fleet regardless of boat age ( within
reason ). What you are suggesting would be very detrimental the the
class.

All I can say about that new 12-footer is the guys that sail her had better
be rock stars or like swimming.
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Originally posted by timnoyce

That pin tail without a T-Foil is just going to be savage! 


The other side of the semi pin tail is that the centre of lift downwind is going to be futher forward than other 12s, which in turn means that the crew weight is effectively further aft. And the deep V aft means you don't pay such a penalty for pitching the stern down too far.

On the other hand back in the 70s there was a Cherub design with more V at the transom than mid length. Not as extreme as that though of course. The Caisley-Steele 3 (for that was the design) was quick in the light, but vicious in a breeze.

This boat is going to be *very* interesting, but I still refuse any predictions.
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