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    Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 5:44pm

Well for starters you can buy a secondhand Boss for a fraction of the cost of a secondhand 800 and get similarish performance. And as far as buying new, the RS800 was introduced quite a few years later.

 

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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

I am sorry if it appears I have been too negative regards the Boss. It just seems a shame in a way we have so many small classes in the UK (where you struggle to get half a dozen boats at the Nationals).

 

I just feel it is better racing for everyone if we sail the same class (certainly a higher standard of competition)... rather than lots of different classes!

 

I guess my point is why sail a Boss IF you could sail, for example an RS 800.

People may sail the Boss instead of the 800 because it's a much cheaper boat and also they might be enthusiastic about their class. The best way forward for the Boss may be to hold a joint class association with the 5000 because the boats are similar on handicap. Once the classes are stronger, they could then choose to seperate or keep on growing together.

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Yes I understand the cost issue (hence why I said IF) but to my way of thinking it is it not much fun racing against 2 boats when you can race against 52! Do you honestly think the BOSS (or the fiver tonners) will ever feature in the "50" club in the future? At some point or another the boats will stop be raced actively IMVHO. Simply because there are "better" designs out there to be enjoyed! (Survival of the fittest...)

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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

but to my way of thinking it is it not much fun racing against 2 boats when you can race against 52! Do you honestly think the BOSS (or the fiver tonners) will ever feature in the "50" club again?

Did they ever ?

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It can be done with small classes. The blaze only has around 250 hulls built and they are regularly in the 50 club (57 last year I think).

I think that the smaller assy classes need to do something along the lines of fastsail.

It takes a lot to organise but as many people have seen the level of publicity it generates is amazing.

I do wonder how much this publicity affected the new Osprey builder (whether or not he would be building if it was not for the Fastsail publicity and hence greater interest in the class).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chew my RS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 11:43am

Jon Emmett wrote:

I am sorry if it appears I have been too negative regards the Boss. It just seems a shame in a way we have so many small classes in the UK (where you struggle to get half a dozen boats at the Nationals).

 

I just feel it is better racing for everyone if we sail the same class (certainly a higher standard of competition)... rather than lots of different classes!

 

I guess my point is why sail a Boss IF you could sail, for example an RS 800.

49er wrote "People may sail the Boss instead of the 800 because it's a much cheaper boat and also they might be enthusiastic about their class. The best way forward for the Boss may be to hold a joint class association with the 5000 because the boats are similar on handicap. Once the classes are stronger, they could then choose to seperate or keep on growing together."

I am a big fan of the Fast Sail concept and would love to see it expand to other boat genres and to the way we organise club handicap racing in general , e.g. medium performance singlehanders (Byte, Streaker et al), single wire "skiff" (ISO, L4000), two-man hikers (RS400, 59er, Tasar etc), twin wire skiff (L5000, 49er, Cherub, RS800, Boss, I14).  The PY system is much fairer when applied to similar boats like these, but struggles when having to equate a Topper, Tornado and Fireball.

This is also precisely the reason I advocate a series of new formaula classes - see New Development Class thread. If Topper and Laser had worked together rather than competing against each other, the Boss and 5000 might still be selling well (albeit, now as a Boss Mk 4 and Laser 5006). Sailors get the latest developments and the manufacturers get to keep sales going by launching new designs without fragmenting fleets. Another example of this is the new Red Eye boat. It might well be 'better' than a Solo (it should be, otherwise why make it?), but how many people will actually leave an existing class to get one?



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Originally posted by Chew my RS

Another example of this is the new Red Eye boat. It might well be 'better' than a Solo (it should be, otherwise why make it?), but how many people will actually leave an existing class to get one?



Exactly, it Red Eye boat is a good little boat. If it succeeds will depend on how it is marketed and if they can prise people away from their current boats. I chose a Blaze over the solution purely because the Blaze is established (and it looks cool too).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote russell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 2:34pm
I raced against 2 solutions this weekend at the Exmoor Beastie.  They look really nice, fast and light.  I don't think they are really aimed at the Blaze market, more like the - too small for a Phantom, don't want to be seen in a Solo - market.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Olly4088 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 2:37pm
oh russell little dig at the solos there now now
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Calum_Reid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 3:05pm
solo sailors at our club get nothing but digs. Even from a guy who sailed an ent til he was 72. His exact words were 'I thought they went out with the arc'
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