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    Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 7:02pm

thank you. i forgot about that

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Originally posted by mike ellis

stop hijacking my thread! isis i think you need to start a thread on here devoted to this marvelous idea .


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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 5:43pm
stop hijacking my thread! isis i think you need to start a thread on here devoted to this marvelous idea .
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The problem with exterior grade ply (WBP) over marine ply is that you cannot see the voids, they are not apparent until the sheet is cut. The top veneer is rarely a single sheet on exterior ply, which can also cause problems when cutting for something as accurate as a hull section. If it is a single veneer in order to keep the cost down the internal layers are often poor.

Remember that trhe timber merchant wants to sell you what he has in stock.  They will have to order in marine ply and their margins on it are small due to the quantities ordered.

Several Mirror dinghys have been home built using WBP, you will recognise them as the rotten lumps in the corner of the dinghy park or the ones with bubbles on the ply where it is delaminating.

I think that the 6' skiff is an excellent and bold design. I do think however that if you compromise the materials you use, (and I know that you are only going to use a certain design for a short period) you will not be able to properly test a design since it will be unable to take the loads properly.

I don't intend to be arguementative on this issue, and I appologise if I appear so I  would just hate to see something like this fall at the first hurdle or get a reputation for something that falls apart as soon as it gets going, or that people waste their money on unsuitable materials.

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We will look at how to reword it to make our position clearer- bearing in mind it was put together pretty much on one evening in a bit of a panic before the sailboat show its not perfect.

I have talked to a number of people who I see as reliable on the subject of ply (including 2 timber merchants an ex-carpenter and a number of hours on google) and they all seemed to believe the only difference is that exterior ply often has voids due to inadequate glueing or simply sections of wood missed out. They were all of the opinion that with some carefull selection (ie not just grabbing the first sheet off the top of the pile) the quality would be close enough to marine ply for it not to make a difference in a short lifespan hull.

Untill we have some boats on the water (early summer hopefully) we cannot 'prove' our claims but I stand by it... if you have any further information however please let us know.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bigwavedave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:51pm

There is a very big difference between exterior grade and marine grade plywood, I know this because I am a carpenter. Exterior grade ply is unsuitable for boat building due to the way ity is constructed, not the quality of the finish. 

I may seem very argumentative about this issue but i still fail to see how you are going to build a hull for £100. 

I feel that this is a very misleading statement to make on a website and it cannot be backed up by hard facts. 

Whilst I wish the 6' skiff class well with its projects I really think that your should be able to provide some hard facts and advice to back up your statements.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:23pm
Were looking at about 2 sheets per hull, depending on design yes.
The difference between marine ply and exterior ply comes down to quality and cost. quality isnt of too much importance for a hull that will last a season at most before its rebuilt to test new ideas.

Once we establish whether or not this whole concept is even possible then the designs will stabilise, quality will need to go up and therefore costs will rise (although if it works you will never beat it on a bang-for-buck ratio)
Untill then the entire point of the idea is a) its a cheep testbed for ideas and regular new designs, and b) its going to be a great laugh whatever happens





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On their forum they suggest building one for under £200,not sure if this is manageable but I'd like to see the finished product
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bigwavedave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:03pm
I would like to see one of these boats that has been built for "typically £100". Has one been built for that budget yet?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bigwavedave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:00pm

Please explain what materials you suggest.  eg marine ply? you would need a minimum of two sheets. I can get this trade (6mm) for £40-00 a sheet (plus vat) so you are looking at £94-00 as a starting point. Thats without all the other materials.

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