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    Posted: 04 Sep 08 at 10:43am

Originally posted by Elvis



I'm sure the decision has already been made, but moving into spitfires will
not fix the previous cock-ups made by the youth program. One of the
problems is it's run by parents, who take short term decisions to help their
own offspring and then disappear over the horizon once said offspring
turn 18 and discover beer and girls. You can't blame em really but the RYA
should doing more to manage the progam with long term objectives,
rather than expecting small class associations and parents to take the
brunt. 

From an interested spectators point of view I would not have classified Brian Phipps' achievments as having been driven by focussing purely on his offspring.  The number and quality of sailors who came through that youth program to my mind were very impressive.  And having spoken to some of the guys looking after the Dragoons this year the impression I got was that their main interest was in developing youth cat sailing in general. 

As an aside I wouldn't say that the F18 events in the UK are particularly better attended than Spitfires, indeed this years Nationals had about half the number that were at Worthing in 2006.  Lastly isn't the choice of boat more down to ISAF rather than the local national authority?



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Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing spitfires, they're a great boat... but
there just aren't that many of them about. If you want a boat to learn
about racing then you need a big strong fleet with national, european &
international events which only leaves the Dart 18, hobie 16 and F18 as
realistic options.

I'm sure the decision has already been made, but moving into spitfires will
not fix the previous cock-ups made by the youth program. One of the
problems is it's run by parents, who take short term decisions to help their
own offspring and then disappear over the horizon once said offspring
turn 18 and discover beer and girls. You can't blame em really but the RYA
should doing more to manage the progam with long term objectives,
rather than expecting small class associations and parents to take the
brunt.

The hobie 16 was a good youth boat and any young team could go out and
buy a grands worth of boat and join in... but putting a kite on it split the
UK racing fleet in two, which was shortly followed by a rapid demise of the
whole fleet. If I was a spitfire owner I'd be a little concerned if the youth
squad moved in as history has a habit of repeating itself.
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At the expense of appearing to hijack the thread,... I have certainly seen more than 20 Spitfires in a group. They're great boats. Oh, and I happen to have one for sale which is not too far off your price, especially when you take account of all the extras that are included: http://www.dee-sc.co.uk/docs/2008/Spitfire076ForSale.pdf

I'm selling it because I now sail solo on the Spitti's little sister, but I love the Spitti!
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There are over 200 Spitfires built, mainly spread between UK, France and Ireland.
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Originally posted by Elvis

there are only 15 spitfires in the country and no euros or worlds to go to

 

Don't think you are right there.  There were 20 at Rutland in May, 24 at the nats last year and the Euros were at Ostend.



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SL 16 is better than you think, and perfect for youth boat compared to any other boat on the market
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if I was 14-18 and managed to save 4 grand for a boat I'd buy an old tiger. its
not gonna win you the worlds, but it will last till you get your skills up and
still be sellable after a couple of years

SL16 is s**t
H16 are great in a F6, but no one races em in UK any more. Why you would
want a kite on a H16 is still beyond me??
Dart's are dull but have great racing
there are only 15 spitfires in the country and no euros or worlds to go to

that only leaves the F18... and they have black sails which are cool


or you could buy a tornado plenty around at the moment!!
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What about the SL16?

 
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Originally posted by Teamvmg

The Hobie 16 is the 2009 ISAF youth class and there is top level support available from the RYA to help youth H16 sailors

Surely its a fairly straight foward progression from Dragoon?

It is Sunday morning and I didn't have a drink last night so I'm quite sober, but it has to be said: The original question was, "what Class to move on to". Not wanting an any way to take from Brian Phipps, the Youth Squad and the RYA, but, the only thing that the Hobie 16 is a progression from, is two logs strapped together - and maybe, the Hobie 14. It was good fun in its day. And I know that it is still raced in Countries around the World, but even the Dragoon is more like the Formuls 18 than the Hobie 16. A modern design is needed, similar to  a Formula 18, but for lighter crews.

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