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    Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 10:33am

The issue for me is if you come into the race in Silver well clear of Bronze but a threat to the sailor in Gold you'll be sc*%wed - can't see how that fits in with the Olympic ethos.

IMHO much better to take in a point for your postion at the end of the fleet races, then add a point for your position at the end of the medal race. Lowest score wins with draws decided by posisition before the medal race. 

    

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I tihnk the medal race format works really well - we've seen: -

  • the girlies just going faster,
  • ben screwing the other guys start and then sailing away,
  • goody doing a number on his opponent (fair enough given the potential for breeze drop out),
  • 470 boys fantastically sailing themselves back onto to podium
  • Bryony getting a fab bronze in a tactically challenging race
  • Laser Radials - USA coming back from a disastrous start
  • 49er destruction derby
What more do you want - we've had virtually every type of medal race you could imagine.. other than some crappy knockout which doesn't really reflect the complexities of sailing?
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I agree that the medal race and the double points system is flawed because it is too easy for someone to knock you right down the table, even if you have posted a consistent scoreline all week

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My suggestion of a pursuit style;e race would be that the points from the series give you a personal handicap. Rather like on the ITV Gladiators programme. So the leading boat goes on the first whistle etc. 

 

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

How about a radical overhaul of the whole race format at the Olympics? I propose a knockout system rather than a points series. Start with, say, 32 teams. After Race 1 only the top 16 go through to Race 2. Then only the first 8 go through to Race 3. Then the top 4 go through to a medal race. Then those 4 fight it out. One team finishes distraught in 4th and the others relatively happy. It encourages winning the final race rather than covering a large lead gained in the previous 10 races and would provide more drama. It would also be easier to follow.

Might work as long as the races are in places with sensible wind!!!!!!!!!

maybe series for 4 races, drop 50% of the fleet (not probable that they would win a medal from that position anyway). 

Now, do we reset the points, or carry thru?

Now do we do 4 more races and drop 50% more? 

Means more organisation (less classes if we all have to start at 32 and we know how many problems that can cause!!!!)

 

 

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How about a radical overhaul of the whole race format at the Olympics? I propose a knockout system rather than a points series. Start with, say, 32 teams. After Race 1 only the top 16 go through to Race 2. Then only the first 8 go through to Race 3. Then the top 4 go through to a medal race. Then those 4 fight it out. One team finishes distraught in 4th and the others relatively happy. It encourages winning the final race rather than covering a large lead gained in the previous 10 races and would provide more drama. It would also be easier to follow.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lukepiewalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 08 at 9:23pm
Nonsense, Madison makes perfect sense, just don't lose concentration for a moment, it takes about 10 minutes to find the place again. And they are much better 'in the flesh' when you can see the big picture.
I digress...
I think we have learned that the medal races work, as long as there is wind. Finn (Attempt 2),  470, Yngling all gave perfectly good medal races which made sense within the concept.
When there was no wind Finn (Attempt 1), Laser,  then the concept fell a bit flat as the risk of getting stuck in a hole and losing touch meant the close cover sailing backwards down the fleet was the prime approach. This catapulted the Swede down to 6th from silver, although strangely the positions when the Finn medal race was abandoned would have left Railey in silver.
Without going into the precise details of why, the 49er race showed us what happens when all hell breaks loose. People are split over whether this was ultimately a good thing or a bad thing...
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at least the medal race is easier to understand than the Madison
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ASok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 08 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by nutonthetiller

rather boring meaningless race with the first boat sailing the second down the pan.

Surely that would a possible tactic regardless?

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote laser4000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 08 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by ColH

I can't think of a better name, but I do think the term "medal race" is bad - until good ol' Bob



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