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scowsailor ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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Is anyone looking for a Projection 762 at the moment?
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garth weaver ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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Hi Jean, Good to hear from you. I have sailed into St Malo on a few ocassions before - a beautiful port. We haven't sailed two-handed much before and certainly find that the P762 does really well when you have 4 on the rail plus the helm. I have raced against other P762s when they have been short of crew and the difference in performance upwind is dramatic - maybe that is the answer. |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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We've been doing a bit of two-up and 3-up sailing recently and although fun, it isn't really competitive. Gybeing with two on board is... interesting! I wonder how other P762 owners do it... We raced against Pink Gin last night - they were short of one crew member in winds of up to 30knots and despite a terrible start and first beat we overhauled them about halfway through the race on boat-speed alone (they eventually won the race on rolling handicap). In the bigger gusts I think we were probably sailing about a half a knot faster upwind, so in these conditions what Garth says is true. In lighter winds I'm not convinced. Providing you have enough weight to keep some of the hull out of the water (weight to leeward upwind) we have had consistently good results with four or even three on board. We're still having fun! Welcome Jean... I'm curious as to what sail number you are?? |
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garth weaver ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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I would concur with what you say Chic. In light winds, up to 8 knots, have a mximum of 4 crew, but above 12 knots definitely aim for 5 crew - this will enable you to hang onto the #1 until about 20 knots of true windspeeed. I would be interested to hear what you think PG's higher spinnaker hoist. |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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I don't know whether Duncan would agree with me but I don't think that Pink Gin's higher spinnaker hoist makes any difference one way or the other. We often seems to be close to them when going downwind and I suspect that the thing that makes the biggest difference in lighter winds is kite area and in stronger winds probably boat handling. The quicker you can get the boat moving the better. I certainly haven't been inspired to cut any more holes in the mast yet! |
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detente ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
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Chic I do think that with respect to kite area on Pink Gin the hoist makes good sence. In light winds kite area is important but it is by no means the only contributing factor. I believe that boat handling in ALL conditions is vital to get the best out of a 762 especially in the 5 - 15 knot wind barrier, where bigger boats around you will be going fast but the 762 will not be on the plane. I have sailed Pink gin with the kite set at the hounds and then set at the higher hoist, in the same race and the same conditions, and found that having a higher hoist gave more clean air draft to the top of the sail giving it truck loads more power, and the ability to get up and onto the plane sooner. As we all know getting up and onto the plane sooner in a 762 is vital in these conditions, when bigger boats around you will be going faster than you.!!!! No disrespect to Duncan but he has not had the boat long and might not be getting full potential from the higher hoist yet, this comes with practice. I know every time I go out I look to see how i can learn to get the boat to go faster in varying conditions. Our new 762 has had the higher hoist mod 800mm higher than the hounds and is already making a difference.
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Detente, it's good to get a bit of debate about this! I apologise for sounding flippant but when I wrote that message I had very little time. I couldn't agree more with your comment about boat-handling, I'm well aware of its importance in all wind conditions, and I think most people who have sailed the Projection for any length of time regard it as a trickier boat than it first appears. Regarding mid-range wind conditions, yes, we've all been there and struggled against bigger boats, and I think it takes a great deal more than 15 knots to get it to plane! However, until Duncan starts to overtake us on every downwind leg I'll stick with what we have... Here's an impractical suggestion... I would love to sail with some other P762 crews sometime... Difficult when I'm in Scotland, but I think it would be really helpful all round. I'm prepared to do some travelling! |
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DOUGk911 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 06 Location: Blyth , Northumberland Online Status: Offline Posts: 65 |
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Hey Chic , Filthy G is only a wee way south at Blyth , you would be v welcome sometime . We are finally making progress and winning some races .New sails helped . We will always struggle with the Melges and corks , we can stay with them upwind in most conditions now , we seem to go really well in v light winds , which is a complete turnaround from last season , new genoa the main reason we think ,weight well fwd . Lots of mast rake . We sail with a melges helm as crew in our wed nite series , he reckons our boat is much harder to sail than a melges , goes well when we get it right though ! getting regular crew is difficult , however when we have the top team it all just works , even in strong winds , such lovely boats in a real breeze . Doug .
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TimC ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 153 |
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We've been having a bit of an interesting time with Upstart recently. Our last race was end of May at the Felixstowe Regatta. Windward-leeward with 25 - 30kts breeze. Great speed upwind with full main and #3 (and 6 crew hiking very very hard). We were the second lowest rated boat in class but in second on the water at the leeward mark - nearly hit 17kts on the run. Second run wasn't quite so fun, caught a wave doing about 16 (not even a nose dive) and the rig kept going as we slowed down. Cue a hillarious 30 mins recovering bits of rigging and sails. Didn't want to post about it until insurance all sorted but finally, phoenix like, she's ready to roll again. Things to note - the boat behaved impeccably - beam on to a big sea with the rig and sails in the water to weather. Really looked after us. Secondly - check your backstays! We had some jacketless dynema below our purchase system and I reckon that's what went. |
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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good to see upstart ready to race again! shiny new rig looks lovely. see you ve added a backstay whip aswell. weve kept all our dynema covered just incase! just wondering amongst all of the 762's on here what rig settings are being used. im sure weve done this before but trawling through it all is tedious. cheers in advance. Edited by slop_idol |
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