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Gael ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 04 Location: Southampton, United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 187 |
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Guys are scared of spiders too - but life would be boring without the
amusement of watching a macho male pretend he isn't. ![]() But moving back to some sort of a sailing theme - I would pick a mixed crew over an all girl one any day. |
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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You telling me girls could survive without men?
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sailor girl ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Jun 04 Location: Spain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031 |
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hahaha, girls soooooooo rule!! see you guys can't live with out us!!!
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*GM* ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 122 |
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So which of his two sons is going to have the op then? |
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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seems fair enough to me, if the class decided it then it must have been by acceptance of the membership. If owners dont want to have to diet than they should pick a different class (or a lighter crew) , sounds harsh but its not as if its a secret untill after they join.
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Adoo ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
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Interestingly SB3's weight limit at 270kgs, while the Etchells is at 285kgs, average weight of 95kgs each. I guess the big guys like DC wouldn't be able to do it if it was less. Swan 45 weight limit is 950kg. They are now having random weigh ins through the event, not one weigh in at the start. It means that "dipping" for the weigh in is out, the crew has to be that weight through out the event. The total weight includes the owners - should this be the case? Feels a bit mean, they paid all that money, and then need to diet to make the weigh in. |
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Better to be overpowered in the gusts than underpowered in the lulls!
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Gael ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 04 Location: Southampton, United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 187 |
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I think weight limits can work well - especially if the limit is set in such a
way as it makes it viable to either opt for a larger number of crew where you have lightweights on board, or smaller number of heavyweights - eg in the Mumm 30s it seems to work... Your answer brys is to have a girl on the boat... puzzles me why there aren't more sailing in the class at the moment. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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If anyone is interested, Bryan has also had this debate at in the chat room at http://www.lasersb3.com/
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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You are convinced crew weight in a keelboat doesn't matter because it evens out over the conditions. Believe that if you want. However all competitive skippers in high-profile classes like J24s, Mumm30s, Stars have long since concluded otherwise: that it pays, on average, to sail at the maximum allowable crew weight. I have helped run a keelboat class. The weight limit is chosen so that the class doesn't become dominated by heavyweghts, hence excluding much of the male population and all of the female. If only heavyweights can win, in the long run only heavyweights will choose to play. Having a weight limit is nothing to do with "image": it is to do with allowing the maximum number of competitive sailors to sail in your class. And no I can't sail a Finn at 75kg. I'm a racing sailor. If I don't stand an earthly chance doing well, why bother? You might as well say: you could always sail an SB3 2-up and stay inside the weight limit. |
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brys ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 89 |
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I think you misunderstood the point! If you fancy sailing a Finn then you can...there is NO Class RULE that says a guy wieghing 140Kg cannot sail one! It is the classes that have crew weight limit rules that I rail against! If you are lucky enough to only weigh 70Kg then it makes sense to sail a Laser or similar.... I feel that the class associations that bar people crewing their boats with who they want to sail with are being disciminating against heavy people...They are often lead by the nose by the manufacturers who want the boat to have a certain image.....I really believe that heavy crews in boats like the Cork 1720 and SB3 ONLY have the advantage on the MINORITY of days....eg Force 5 plus when they can and do sail flatter and faster than the lightweights...It is all a con by the builders and sailmakers....Lightweights ragging their non reefable sails up the beat tear out their sails quicker than a heavy weight team who can keep their sails driving in the heavy stuff...Us heavy boys ALWAYS pay the penalty in sub force 5 by not sailing so quickly......therefore weight limits on these boats are total BS.
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Never enough time for sailing
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