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DanW ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 29 Apr 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
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Thanks for taking the time to reply to my query. The more informed i become then the harder it seems to decide. They all have merits and seem to have a good case to answer. Plus my crew who is away in Afganistan is going halves with me and is trusting my decision making! Does the fact that a nacra or similar f18/20 design is newer make that much difference compared to the older hurricane design? |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Hi Dan, I've sailed Hurricanes and Nacra 6s quite a lot in the past (before cats had kites). They are both nice boats and they are similar sizes and speeds (the Nacra is a fraction faster). The Hurricane has centreboards whereas the Nacra has daggerboards - the daggerboards give marginally better upwind performance, but are not so good if you are at risk of running aground. The Nacra is boomless, a little heavier (stronger?), has a slightly more modern hull shape (sort of wave piercing and the hulls are made in left and right hand halves rather than lower hull and deck joined on top - gives a gives a rounder deck edge) and has a forward beam that adds a bit of strength and means the jib is a bit bigger. I think you would be happy with either, but would probably recommend the Hurricane. You will have a lot of fun in it, it will be easier to sell on (they are more numerous here) and the centreboards are more practical. Don't be put off by the fact it is a twenty year old design - it is still an excelelnt boat and it suits your needs much better than a F18. |
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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Dan, I'm biased but can thoroughly recommend the Hurricane. Do try and get the SX version it is well worth it. Twin trapezing on a reach is a fantastic experirnce. The Hurri is quite a heavy beast so don't even think of sailing one single handed. 26 stone is perfect for the boat. The boat has a lot of buoyancy in the bows and will give you a lot of warning before it pitchpoles. My first Hurricane was my first Cat and I found it quite easy to learn on - it is certainly less twitchy than the Dart18. The mainsail is of heavier construction than most comparable cats and lasts well. You can tow it flat while the F18 needs to be tilted or dismantled to fit on the roads. And they are available for not much money. Difficult to get more bang for the buck. The Class is heavily centred in Essex but their TT series is UK-wide. A friendly bunch who enjoy their beer. The Hobie Pacific is a bit of armchair ride compared to the other boats mentioned. You'll actually find that the racks are counter-productive after a while as with your crew weight you'll want to be on the wire rather than sitting on scafolding. And the lack of centre-boards means you can't drive the boat as hard down wind. Not for me I'm afraid. |
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Shadowman ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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Definitely buy a Hurricane. The Class Association and Andy Webb give huge support to newcomers which is great. The boat is very tough and well mannered to sail. You'll also find a decent boat in your budget.
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scottish_tornad ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Apr 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 57 |
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would second third and fourth the Hurricane had one before the T wish i could have kept it but not to be. They are great boats and take anything you can throw at them even the older ones can still be competative for the money you wish to spend you cant go wrong. Second the SX option too the kite gives makes the boat.
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tornado GBR389
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merlinghnd ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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I am new to cat sailing and bought a Hobie Pacific for £5K with comfort wings last year and it is great. I sit on the wings, my wife goes out on the trapeze and its great fun. Maybe not as fast as the others but seems like a good place to start. Hulls are very buoyant compared to other cats so would be good for 26 stones easily. I look at this as a good way to get into cat sailing with the ability to take the family out.When I am ready and feeling flush maybe I might get another mean machine ( I saw the Tek Kat the other day, looked fantastic but ££££££). The other thing about aHobie Pacific is they seem to hold thier value so maybe a season on the Pacific, sell it on and get something else if you want to. I don't think you will be disappointed as a starting point.
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Shadowman ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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One further plus for the Hurri is that as they last for ever, there are lots of reasonably priced boats and the class seems to have established itself as an entry class at reasonable price for those seeking twin wiring performance cats. The result is a healthy second hand market so if it doesn't work out, your exit is not going to be too painful. In spite of the last post, Hobie Pacifics are rare beasts and you might have difficulty selling it if, as I suspect, you will quickly want more performance. You will note that all ex Hurri sailors love the boat to death and I would still be sailing mine but for my long term crew going abroad!
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Catsrule ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 61 |
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Wrong boat you got there Dave!! F18s can be towed flat no problem at all, its Tornados that you have to dismantle. Talking of Tornados you could look into them, yes they are more power full than the 5.9, but they are wider giving more leaverage, and they are also pretty easy to depower when it gets windy, also they're pretty hard to capsize as they're so long and wide. I only weigh 45kg, well i could be maybee 50kg now, and i crew on a tornado sport with a old guy who can't weigh that much, max i'd say 75kg, at Weston Sc, we're fine, we don't have a proper square top main though, we're light for the boat and have to depower earlier than everyone else, but you guys at 25 stone would be pretty good on a Tornado. They're great boats and easy to power up or de-power. Only problem is that you do have to dismantle to trail, but that dosen't take long. Go to www.catamaran.co.uk and there's a load for sale on there. CR |
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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F18s can indeed be towed flat. I've seen it done many a time. But they are technically breaking the law. F18s are 2.6m wide while the UK max for towing is 2.3m (unless your towing vehicle is over 3.5 tonnes in which case 2.55m is allowed). |
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Shadowman ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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So what did he buy???
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