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    Posted: 14 May 05 at 3:57pm

Well ISAF have just published the minutes from the equipment meeting.  At least they are aware that there is a problem with the rule.  Well done to the RYA for all their efforts.  It will be interesting to see what ISAF come up with.  Since it is now May, they should have an answer, but I for one will not be holding my breath waiting for it.

3. RRS 40.2 – QUICK RELEASE HARNESS

The Committee noted the wording of RRS 40.2 which is to be effective 1

January 2006. They considered the results of the ISAF questionnaire on

entrapment circulated February 2005 and the responses to the questionnaire.

The Committee in particular noted the report on “ RYA Research into Dinghy

Entrapments” Whilst the committee supported the intent of the new RRS 40.2 it

was concerned that wider issues than harness hooks need to be addressed.

Better education of competitors, race organisers and rescue personnel is

essential.

Decision

1. On a unanimous vote, proposed by Darren Dunkley-Smith and

seconded by Philippe Rogge it was agreed that the wording of RRS

40.2 is not adequate for its intended purpose as it creates problems

of interpretation and implementation.

2. It was agreed to circulate the Committee with a proposal for a

resolution to this matter by the end of April.

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As we've mentioned before, it's good house keeping on the boat that prevents accidents. From discussing points on this thread, we've came up with an action plan for if the worst comes to the worst. We've set out certain procedures, and feel more confident in knowing what to do if the unthinkable happens. My simple advice is that other boats work out procedures for worst case scenarios so they can confidently deal with these situations if they ever occur.
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RYA summary:

Pioneering research conducted by the RYA has shown that dinghy sailing is still a very safe sport with the statistical risk to a sailor of getting stuck under their boat following a capsize extremely small

Lack of research into dinghy entrapments and heightened public awareness prompted the RYA to initiate a research programme focusing on identifying trends in incident figures, common contributing factors and the most effective rescue techniques. The statistical risk appeared to be small, but there was no research on the subject to underpin this assumption. As well as setting up a mechanism for dinghy sailors to log incidents, the RYA looked into ways of preventing entrapments by examining boat design and by developing and testing the most effective rescue techniques.

Forty four incidents were logged during 2003 and 2004 via the RYA website. In addition, air gap tests were conducted under a range of boats, a range of rescue techniques tested and discussions took place with the major dinghy manufacturers. Key findings were;

  • There are no clear patterns in the cause of incidents, which occurred in a wide range of conditions and boats.
  • Neither the experience of the sailor nor the equipment used suggested a single dominant factor in the incidents recorded.
  • The statistical risk to a dinghy sailor of becoming dangerously trapped is tiny, but sailors should be aware that these incidents can happen.
  • Rescue can be difficult in the time available and staying calm contributes to the chance of escape.
  • The most common cause of entrapment was 30% getting ropes tangled around the body or limbs, 30% was getting caught on other control lines and straps and 30% involved some part of the trapeze harness.
  • The most effective rescue of a trapped sailor is to right the boat as rapidly as possible.
  • The best prevention is good housekeeping aboard, maintaining elastic and being aware of the problem.

Due to the lack of previous data it is impossible to establish a trend or an indication as to whether entrapments are on the increase, but there is no specific reason to think that they are.



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The RYA site has published its report into entrapments, its concludes that there is no clear pattern in the cause of incidents.  Also it concludes that neither the experience of the sailor nor the equipment used suggested a single dominant factor in the incidents recorded.

Seems there should be more conclusive evidence before making such a big rule change on harnesses.

http://www.rya.org.uk/images/uploaded/93ce8ee5-f220-43a3-874 9-bc7d260137d8/Entrapments_Paper.pdf

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Post Options Post Options   Quote bigwavedave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 05 at 12:02pm

Ooops, sorry,

Just read back through some previous threads and it seems that this has already been discussed.

Oh well back to the VAT.

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It will be intereseting to see the minutes from the meeting.  The current rule mentions nothing about a hook, quick release or otherwise, it only mentions a device.

But what about rule 49.1

Competitors shall use no device designed to position their bodies outboard, other than hiking straps and stiffeners worn under the thighs.

Maybe I'm missing something, and no doubt I shall be corrected very shortly, but according to that rule we can't use trapeze harnesses anyway

can someone clarify this for me please.

 

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I've heard rumours that there is going to be an extension to the date for the legislation to come through, and also heard a lot of the systems currently do not meet EU standards, but could be just dinghy park talk...
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Originally posted by DannySimpson

Has anyone heard any news on the ISAF RRS 40.2 regarding the quick release capability of harnesses, due to come in on the 1st Jan 2006?

The ISAF Equipment Committee are meeting today & tomorrow (10/11 Apl) & 40.2 is on the agenda.

Presume minutes will appear on web site in the next few weeks

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 49erGBR735HSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 05 at 11:17pm
Thanks, we need 2.5 metres but could probably find something along the lines of what you've suggested. Mind you, we're just going to fibreglass tape the ones we've got just now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mike278 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 05 at 9:49pm

power carp handles go to about 2meters, but you can get other carbon landing handles up to 9ft long, including telescopic handles

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