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    Posted: 18 May 23 at 11:57am
Simplify the finish line rules, if you are sailing at 90 degrees to the line and have been for more than three boat lengths no one can call water on you.
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Originally posted by boatshed


Thanks. If W is crafty, say sitting just below the start line creeping forward ahead of the start signal, W could decide not to start to take action to avoid L who is slowly approaching from behind


Whether or not and how to respond will depend on time to go, distance from the start line and other tactical considerations.   Doing nothing when tactically attacked is very rarely the best option.

W can see the hook coming: from a rules POV, she has no obligation to do anything until boats become overlapped, then she must keep clear, but tactically, she'd better start doing something.

Originally posted by boatshed

and the gap will close then W can claim insufficient room to keep clear. L goes from the right of way boat to being the infringer because “room” is a universal defence if L decides to protest.


Room to keep clear under rules 15/16 is nothing like a 'universal defence'.

L can't just 'claim' insufficient room to keep clear.

She has to prove to the protest committee that there was insufficient space for her acting promptly and in a seamanlike way to keep clear.

In dinghys and moderate conditions .6 to 1 m between the boats when they became overlapped would be considered more than enough room for W to begin to keep clear.

If L got the hook closer than this, she can readily do a 'tag and release': immediatedly boats become overlapped, L bears away and accelerates, opens the gap to give W room, then comes back up towards the wind requiring W to keep clear, and from the moment it was possible to do so, W had better be doing all she could to keep clear.

If L is just the little bit competent, W is on a hiding to nothing.

Originally posted by boatshed

   Without an umpire, I would think the “room” defence trumps L’s argument of W rule breaking.


Why? Depends on the evidence, and I think you are vastly overestimating the force of rules 15/16.

Originally posted by boatshed


I wonder if it is possible to abuse the racing rules using techniques like these and indeed maybe these techniques are taught.


No. Unless a boat breaks the rules it is impossible to 'abuse' the rules.
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Originally posted by eric_c


Until the overlap happens, L (clear astern) is the keep clear boat.

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Originally posted by eric_c

If L establishes the overlap too close, they've failed to keep clear.

No.

Once the boats become overlapped, L is required initially to give W room to keep clear (rule 15), but the instant they become overlapped, L becomes the right of way boat so she has no obligation to keep clear.

If you were thinking that the instant just before the overlap L, still the keep clear boat, must have been so close that she was not keeping clear, I don't think that's a good approach. Consider the definition of keep clear

Keep Clear
A boat keeps clear of a right-of-way boat
(a) if the right-of-way boat can sail her course with no need to take avoiding action and,
(b) when the boats are overlapped, if the right-of-way boat can also change course in both directions without immediately making contact.


Immediately before the overlap:
* W can sail her course with no need to take avoiding action: she can change course to port or starboard.
* (b) does not apply because boats are not yet overlapped.

Practically speaking, for a boat to break rule 12, there just about always has to be a bow to transom shunt.
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