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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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You can just picture it
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Basic principles of the rules are sufficient for safe and predictable racing, coupled of course with a degree of anticipation and foresight.
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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I agree. The rules do not require anticipation, but I find it is generally a faster way around the course if I do anticipate what others might do, especially on a small pond.
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Dakota ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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Totally agree too with both posts. Isn’t that just what 99% of us are doing every time we race .
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Two boats beating, about five lengths apart, wind force four gusting to over five, so both going fast. Third boat on a fast reach passes between the two boats (90 degrees), causing chasing boat to swerve violently and capsize. No warnings shouted. (beating boats both on starboard, crossing boat on port).
What should have happened ?
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Robert
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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If the swerve was to avoid a collision then Port is plainly in the wrong and should be protested or retire. If, however, the swerve and capsize was due to the wind shadow of the reaching boat then no foul. As I have found, to my cost recently, light boats react much more to wake and wind shadow than heavier craft 😱
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Nick
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Agree with Noah. If S took avoiding action Port is in the wrong. If S was caught by surprise by wind shadow, didn't swerve deliberately and there was never any risk of a collision P is in the clear.
Case 50 in the Case book is relevant. "When a protest committee finds that in a port-starboard incident S did not change course and that there was not a genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision on the part of S, it should dismiss her protest. When the committee finds that S did change course and that there was reasonable doubt that P could have crossed ahead of S if S had not changed course, then P should be disqualified." |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Never thought about wind shadow, hiked out in strong wind and a complete drop in wind, that is quite amusing when you think about it.
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Robert
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Yes, very true. Bearing in mind the vaguaries of the ******** system anyway, a regular club race really doesn't warrant an OCD approach to rules. A few basics and a fair minded approach. |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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It's actually a major problem at times in big boats; for example years ago the world IOR maxi champ had a 3/4 tonner bob upright in its wind shadow as they crossed tacks. About 35 tonnes of 82' IOR boat went charging upwind at a rate of knots with its main boom topping lift wrapped around the masthead of the 3/4 tonner, dragging it sideways on its ear. At least there was no lasting damage, whereas at other times little boats popping upright have shoved their mastheads through the expensive big-boat sails. Serves the big bullies right!
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