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Bandin 
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 Topic: Race rules advice plsPosted: 08 May 23 at 5:47pm |
Even if the mark is one end of a start/finish?? you sure about that??
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Bandin
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 5:11pm |
Was previously the downwind 'leeward' mark so was a straight downwind finish.
Edited by Bandin - 08 May 23 at 5:26pm |
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423zero
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 4:57pm |
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Gave me a chuckle thinking about Lee boat cutting him off, prior to this the drag race would have been won by windard boat.
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Robert
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ColPrice2002
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 4:48pm |
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Sorry,
I'm having trouble visualising the situation:- There's a rounding park (to port), which as soon as the shorten course is signalled, it becomes the left hand end. Is that looking upwind or down wind? I'm reading the situation as a hook finish - if so, then there are other porblems. If that's wrong, then rule 18 applies, overlapped within 3 boat lengths, inside boat has right to mark room - unless the outside boat can't (not won't) give it.
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Brass
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 4:40pm |
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Its a mark.
L is required to give W mark-room. |
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Bandin
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 4:28pm |
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Windward initially had room until leeward tightened up towards the mark cutting him out. It was a slow, very light wind day so plenty of time.
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423zero
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 4:15pm |
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With only three boat lengths to go would be difficult for Lee boat to give windward boat room.
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Robert
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Bandin
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 3:26pm |
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So I'm still confused here.. I'll explain the situation a little more clearly.. Ignoring how they tactically could have played this out better earlier down the run... Leeward mark (which had previously been a port rounding mark) is now the left hand end of the finish line. Both boats are level side by side on port. Within three boat lengths of the left end mark of the finish (previous rounding mark). Leeward boat tightens up a little so windward boat (previously keep clear boat) cant get to the finish line and is now heading directly for the mark. Windward shouts for water. Leeward replies he doesnt have to give any. Windward boat has to avoid mark wrong side of the line and come around again. Who was in the wrong?
Edited by Bandin - 08 May 23 at 4:30pm |
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Brass
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 2:17pm |
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Case 129
Definition, Finish Rule 28, Sailing the Course Rule 32, Shortening or Abandoning after the Start Rule 62.1(a), Redress When the course is shortened at a rounding mark, the mark becomes a finishing mark. Rule 32.2(a) permits the race committee to position the vessel displaying flag S at either end of the finishing line. A boat must cross the line in accordance with the definition Finish, even if in so doing she leaves that mark on the side opposite the side on which she would have been required to leave it if the course had not been shortened. |
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JimC
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Posted: 08 May 23 at 1:28pm |
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Well its certainly correct that its now a finish line and the mark is no longer a *turning* mark. However I don' believe there's anything in the rule book that says RRS18 doesn't apply at a finishing mark.
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