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    Posted: 01 May 23 at 4:01pm
I have shot weirs in a kayak when I was younger but only after investigating and making an informed decision. I would never have gone near that one in those conditions.

WRT buoyancy aids, I'm a windsurfer, dinghy sailor, a (mostly retired) white water kayaker and recently an occasional SUPer. I always wear a BA in a kayak or dinghy but only occasionally when windsurfing, SUP is a new sport to me so I have always worn ones far but will probably paddle without when appropriate. 
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https://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/23181407.police-pass-haverfordwest-paddleboarding-tragedy-file-cps/
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reckless it may be, but experienced enough to take that decision you are.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 23 at 10:28am
Bouyancy aids would probably give the water more grip.
Read on Weir building company website, backwash is equivalent to being held down by a wave, but continuous, they are known in a few countries as 'death machines'.
Reckless statement coming up ,,,, I would probably have a go at shooting a Weir, in a Kayak.

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SUPs aren't kayaks - there's good reason you don't see surfers dropping in on weirs.  And even then, it seems risk outweighs reward for kayakers too, given the sensible approach taken by the local club.

Further reading suggests the tour leader who survived was arrested but later released pending investigation for manslaughter.

A total tragedy that could probably be avoided, but a quick google would suggest CPS thresholds for criminal negligence were not reached... happy to be corrected if this is wrong.

Interesting observation - the three participants who perished were wearing buoyancy aids.  It is impossible to conclude that had they NOT worn them, they could have extracted themselves by one means or another.

However it is very possible to conclude Buoyancy Aids did absolutely nothing to prevent loss of life in this specific situation.

The fourth death was from the second group leader who only re-entered the water to try to save the others.

He died a hero, a very unfortunate one.

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Only found one suggestion for people trapped, they should try to push off the bottom ( risk of getting feet entangled), or swim along the weir. No evidence that its ever worked though. Kayakers will shoot weirs for fun ! But they have had drownings, length of kayak needs to be double the washback, need to be going fast too. Article isn't recommending doing this, just reporting it does happen.

All above from kayaking Union.

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Originally posted by 423zero

They were all competent people too, not the sort you would normally worry about, just shows we shouldn't assume. Is there even a suggestion anywhere of how to get out of the backwash?

Edited to add, competent in general with sports, not SUP.

Re the backwash , I think that’s the  problem there just isn’t a way for a SUP or a a swimmer to get out of if. Maybe be a very skilled  white water canoeist might be able to power out if he can stay in the canoe? I don’t really know . But anyone with that level of skill and knowledge would understand the risk and carry it round . As mentioned in the report , the local canoe club calls it out of bounds when the river is in this state. 😕


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Correct Nicola - never ride a weir, it’s not a wave. a buoyancy aid would not help in this situation. They are deadly.

I’ve used my SUPs on rivers and canals, it’s idyllic but it does require some understanding that is not covered by common sense, especially around river flow speed - it can be hard-ish to tell.

I’ve never once used a BA, there’s plenty of bouyancy in the craft, however I haven’t sought white water stuff, where they are more appropriate - as is a helmet. If you fall off and get knocked out by a rock ….

Always use a lease, that’s a big observation of mine for the newbies who show up with a £200 inflatable from Aldi, along with PSI … and it’s becoming increasingly apparent QR waist leashes are superior in most situations other than surf SUP in real waves.

I do think we should consider the huge benefit SUP is delivering to water sports community as a whole, but like all things in their infancy some guidance could be better. Personally I’m appalled that this incident was an organised trip … what were they thinking going anywhere near a weir?


Edit: re BAs and never wearing one, that was in reference to canal and rivers. I’ve SUPped with BA 4 times - twice on charter boats in Greece as was a stipulation of the captain/boat insurance, once from a beach rental where it was conditional of hire and finally once at Bowmoor - their pond, their rules … but they awfully cumbersome, chafe around the arm holes and frankly make you overheat far too quickly; they are not a general solution for this watersport, same as they weren’t for windsurfing.


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