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    Posted: 02 Dec 22 at 10:17am
Never seen anyone at a sailing club walking about with a can of beer that is shocking.
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I really don’t know where your going with this . I don’t see a connection  between your original allegations of club misconduct/ coverups/ bullying etc  and the fact a competitor in a race is sailing with a hangover or a race officer has a glass of wine between races ( neither of which break any law or regulation. ) .
Given this fact and the fact you also refuse to name the club or even go into the slightest detail about the alleged misconduct/conspiracy, I am starting to feel some sympathy for this club and it’s committee. 



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Yes, those were different days. But in some cases it’s
Still happening in sailing. Having seen a number of examples of drinking
Heavily the night before, or a pint before a race or even the duty officer with
A can in hand you have to wonder where the common sense and responsibility
Is. One comment at a championship event after a heavy night of drinking, ‘does anyone
Race sober?’ And where is the “long arm” of the governing body when they have this evidence
And tell the complainant to ask for an EGM.



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I think many who participated in the dinghy racing drinking culture of the 70s and 80s are still sailing and drinking … or are no longer with us.  as 423zero says, not to be condoned in present times.  Though pales into insignificance when compared with Rugby extra curricular activities.
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Was a member of a yacht club in the eighties where drinking was of an Olympic standard, no women members either, not even in the bar, can remember drinking until 4am from 9am the previous day and being driven home by someone in the same state, this was a regular occurrence. One Saturday afternoon when racing had been cancelled due to a storm, two yachts raced from club to a town down the coast and back, one was knocked flat, both boats crewed by very inebriated crews. No one was ever disciplined there though. Club was run on drink and training adults and children would have been done with drinking trainers. I am not endorsing any of the drinking or men only culture then, it was a different time and I was very young. 
Edited to add, The club is nothing like that now.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dakota Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 22 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by JRB12

Originally posted by 423zero

Title thread now changed to by jrb 12, could almost be April 1st CYHT aka Jim hacker, yes prime minister, could be something by iGRF.


Sorry I don’t know what you mean. I started the thread and no one has changed that.
This is not a send up. I came on here to gauge if anywhere else was so bad.

I can only speak for 4 clubs I’ve been a member of and none of them have been run on these lines.
Tbh in my thirty -five years of sailing I’ve never even heard of anyone being ‘ disciplined ‘ never mind being thrown out of a sailing club. 
What are other peoples experiences ? 


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Sounds tricky, and the problem and solution in these circumstances are not always as they seem.

We all have preferred style of management. Some prefer "Strong leadership" (euph) others prefer a more democratic/group style of leadership.

Some aren't happy being lead and will only be happy leading..... iconoclasts or like Oedipus, seriously resentful of any authority other than their own.

Given the wider stressful environment many folk will be happy to just chill out in an environment that is controlled by others.

.......in short, the problems you face are never, ever cut and dry. It sounds like your voting membership are split along similar lines/proportions to the wider population at the moment.



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Absolutely, but the chair whitewashed the investigation. Told the LA no case to answer. The investigator told the governing body of the collusion going on. They got a disciplinary for that and kicked out. Family ties in committee and training team protecting their own. A mass of evidence given to the governing body who have, as I said done nothing. What do you do? Does it need an incident before something’s done?
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Originally posted by JRB12

The resignation concern of half the committee was over the drinking culture among a number of the club.
This involved junior training where a complaint was made that training officials had been drinking copiously prior to preparing and potentially delivering a session. Evidence is there too of alcohol misuse in other parts of the club programme.

that is grounds to involve LA safeguarding / police 
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The resignation concern of half the committee was over the drinking culture among a number of the club.
This involved junior training where a complaint was made that training officials had been drinking copiously prior to preparing and potentially delivering a session. Evidence is there too of alcohol misuse in other parts of the club programme.
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