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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Never seen anyone at a sailing club walking about with a can of beer
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Dakota ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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I really don’t know where your going with this . I don’t see a connection between your original allegations of club misconduct/ coverups/ bullying etc and the fact a competitor in a race is sailing with a hangover or a race officer has a glass of wine between races ( neither of which break any law or regulation. ) .
Given this fact and the fact you also refuse to name the club or even go into the slightest detail about the alleged misconduct/conspiracy, I am starting to feel some sympathy for this club and it’s committee. Edited by Dakota - 02 Dec 22 at 10:16am |
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JRB12 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 28 Nov 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 25 |
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Yes, those were different days. But in some cases it’s
Still happening in sailing. Having seen a number of examples of drinking Heavily the night before, or a pint before a race or even the duty officer with A can in hand you have to wonder where the common sense and responsibility Is. One comment at a championship event after a heavy night of drinking, ‘does anyone Race sober?’ And where is the “long arm” of the governing body when they have this evidence And tell the complainant to ask for an EGM. ![]() Edited by JRB12 - 02 Dec 22 at 9:25am |
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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I think many who participated in the dinghy racing drinking culture of the 70s and 80s are still sailing and drinking … or are no longer with us. as 423zero says, not to be condoned in present times. Though pales into insignificance when compared with Rugby extra curricular activities.
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Happily living in the past
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Was a member of a yacht club in the eighties where drinking was of an Olympic standard, no women members either, not even in the bar, can remember drinking until 4am from 9am the previous day and being driven home by someone in the same state, this was a regular occurrence. One Saturday afternoon when racing had been cancelled due to a storm, two yachts raced from club to a town down the coast and back, one was knocked flat, both boats crewed by very inebriated crews. No one was ever disciplined there though. Club was run on drink and training adults and children would have been done with drinking trainers. I am not endorsing any of the drinking or men only culture then, it was a different time and I was very young.
Edited to add, The club is nothing like that now. Edited by 423zero - 01 Dec 22 at 4:41pm |
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Dakota ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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I can only speak for 4 clubs I’ve been a member of and none of them have been run on these lines. Tbh in my thirty -five years of sailing I’ve never even heard of anyone being ‘ disciplined ‘ never mind being thrown out of a sailing club. What are other peoples experiences ?
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Sounds tricky, and the problem and solution in these circumstances are not always as they seem.
We all have preferred style of management. Some prefer "Strong leadership" (euph) others prefer a more democratic/group style of leadership. Some aren't happy being lead and will only be happy leading..... iconoclasts or like Oedipus, seriously resentful of any authority other than their own. Given the wider stressful environment many folk will be happy to just chill out in an environment that is controlled by others. .......in short, the problems you face are never, ever cut and dry. It sounds like your voting membership are split along similar lines/proportions to the wider population at the moment. Edited by Sussex Lad - 01 Dec 22 at 12:03pm |
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JRB12 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 28 Nov 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 25 |
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Absolutely, but the chair whitewashed the investigation. Told the LA no case to answer. The investigator told the governing body of the collusion going on. They got a disciplinary for that and kicked out. Family ties in committee and training team protecting their own. A mass of evidence given to the governing body who have, as I said done nothing. What do you do? Does it need an incident before something’s done?
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NicolaJayne ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
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that is grounds to involve LA safeguarding / police
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JRB12 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 28 Nov 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 25 |
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The resignation concern of half the committee was over the drinking culture among a number of the club.
This involved junior training where a complaint was made that training officials had been drinking copiously prior to preparing and potentially delivering a session. Evidence is there too of alcohol misuse in other parts of the club programme. |
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