Club problems

   Wow, and they said sailing was fun, get away from there, probably every other club in the country is far superior.

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423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Club problems Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 9:52pm
	Wow, and they said sailing was fun, get away from there, probably every other club in the country is far superior.
	Robert

JRB12 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 28 Nov 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote JRB12 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 9:18pm
	We had half a dozen decent people on our committee recently but they ended up resigning in the face of collusion and obstruction. When the key jobs are held by a certain clique it makes things very hard. Controlling finance, keys, information and data. If one or two people control all of those then it can be very hard for others to do their jobs. Especially so when the controllers surround themselves with loyal support. Everything is done to control things in the face of challenge and trumped up disciplinaries handed out. There must have been a few dozen disciplinaries in the last 10 years. You literally cannot raise a concern in this club without potentially facing a disciplinary. To give an example the lead investigator in the safety concern I mentioned before ended up being suspended and then they refused to renew membership all in a ploy to boot that member out. What did that person do? Told the governing body that a fair investigation could not be carried out on the face of lies, corruption and collusion amongst those committee members supporting the accused. And the concerns were serious in relation to safe operation of club activities. You can’t have a safe club in that scenario when people do as they please and no one dare raise a concern. It’s a recipe for disaster.

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 6:33pm
	Volunteer run clubs still have a duty of care. https://www.hse.gov.uk/entertainment/leisure/amateur-sports-club.htm
	Robert

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 6:29pm
	Disqualified for sedition Have a look at this site https://www.sportenglandclubmatters.com/?redirect=0 Edited by 423zero - 29 Nov 22 at 6:29pm
	Robert

davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 5:33pm
	Intriguing. Is this a club where the racing fleet have allowed other interest groups in, like Social Members or dare I say Yacht Owners? The long game might be to get a few like minded people onto the committee, and over time get rid of those who don't have the sailing interests of the club at heart. Alternatively it might cause you less angst to find a more welcoming club, if it is as bad as you say, presumably others will walk too. You could set up an independent Whatsapp group on the pretext that this is for banter amongst the sailors, but it could grow into a useful tool to get people elected onto your committee, unless they check your phones for subversive apps
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ClubRacer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210	Post Options Post Reply Quote ClubRacer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 4:45pm
	Its a tough one. I've just walked away from my club (temporarily) because of similar issues with the committee knowingly breaking the law, manipulating race results and ignoring protests plus various other questionable decisions. Ultimately there isn't a lot I can do other than bring up my concerns at the AGM but it would be at the cost of nobody wanting to do the executive roles. My choice is to just walk away or join somewhere else until I have confidence in a new committee for 2024. I'm a bit bitter that there won't be any justice or even making sure the membership are informed of what has gone on. I feel much better having decided to just walk away for a while rather than get stressed over it even though I've been a member there for 20+ years Edited by ClubRacer - 29 Nov 22 at 5:01pm

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 4:30pm
	Well, if they can command a majority of voting members at the AGM they could do the same at an EGM. No governing body is going to take action against a group that commands majorities at properly held elections, and in any case what can they do? About all that could be done is to command the club to hold an EGM, and from what you are saying the existing committee would win any votes in that.

JRB12 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 28 Nov 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote JRB12 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 12:30pm
	I’m sure to call an EGM 25 members are needed. It’s finding 25 willing. Some literally live in fear of rocking the boat. The committee core have been in control forever. It’s not charity registered as far as I know. Again with communication they hide behind GDPR, so even a section leader might not get contacts to speak to their section.

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 11:50am
	Have the committee been in control for a long time? (This could be a careful what you wish for moment).
	Robert

ColPrice2002 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222	Post Options Post Reply Quote ColPrice2002 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 22 at 11:34am
	Is the Club a registered charity? If so, then it may be possible for the Charity Commissioners to investigate. Otherwise, you're looking at Judicial Review - that's not a cheap option!