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    Posted: 10 Nov 22 at 10:14am
RS do publish all up sailing weights for many of their boats, the RS200 has a sailing weight of 114kg according to their website.

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Originally posted by Mozzy

Well, we won the endeavour sailing at 145 kilos, so it carries weight pretty well. I did the nationals at 126, finishing 2nd, Elliott and Martin were 140. 

It's twitchy compared to a GP14, but not that twitchy compared to a N12. For a race boat, rather than a 'trainer racer' like a 2000 I would say it is about as unremarkable in it's handling as is possible to get. 

Well, you can say "it carries weight pretty well" if you win at 180 kg. At 145 kg it's more like "it works well mid-range".

If you sail at > 150 kg next to a 120 kg crew you can easily see just how much deeper your boat sits in the water.

And YES, it strangely does feel somewhat wobbly under you compared to e.g. an RS400  if you are closer to 90 kg than to 60 kg. And NO, it does not carry a 90 kg helm well, neither a crew...

(Sorry, I just have to air my frustration... I would by one immediatly if I would be small enough myself  Smile )



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Originally posted by Dakota

Comparing the bare hull weight of a RS200 at 78kg to a N12 at 78kgs ( including mast and centreboard) seems to suggest the 200 is no light weight but it’s no porker either .
It seems to sit in that nice average  space ,weight wise. 

An RS200 does not weigh 78kgs all complete; that is a marketing definition of hull weight which isn't comparable with what you'd normally expect.

I believe that figure is the weight of the hull before it's fitted out,

It would be more useful to see the all up weight of boats quoted rather than something not clearly defined. I weighed my RS200 at 96kgs which was bare hull with board fitted.

Have corrected my post for accuracy, and to represent what I had meant to post .  Smile Smile

Totally agree all up weight is a much useful thing to know .


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Originally posted by Dakota

Comparing the weight of a RS200 at 78kg to a N12 at 78kgs ( including mast and centreboard) seems to suggest the 200 is no light weight but it’s no porker either .
It seems to sit in that nice average  space ,weight wise. 

An RS200 does not weigh 78kgs all complete; that is a marketing definition of hull weight which isn't comparable with what you'd normally expect.

I believe that figure is the weight of the hull before it's fitted out,

It would be more useful to see the all up weight of boats quoted rather than something not clearly defined. I weighed my RS200 at 96kgs which was bare hull with board fitted.


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Hull only weight 68kg . Smile


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Comparing the bare hull weight of a RS200 at 78kg to a N12 at 78kgs ( including mast and centreboard) seems to suggest the 200 is no light weight but it’s no porker either .
It seems to sit in that nice average  space ,weight wise. 


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"shame they built it like a tank."


Really? I always though the 200 was a little on the light side?
Are there any lighter hiking double handers of a similar size on the market?


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Originally posted by Ian99

I wouldn't describe a 200 as "twitchy" really. They are a bit roly-poly like most wide, short boats though punish errors a lot less than many racing dinghies.
Obviously you won't get away massive boat handling errors like you can in a Wayfarer for example, but everything is fairly progressive. If you can sail any racing dinghy well, you're likely to be able to manage a 200 without many issues. Which is of course why they are popular and make a good boat for the Endeavour.
For their size, they do actually carry a heavyweight helm quite well - a Phantom or Finn sailor might be a bit big for the front but would be fine helming with a lightweight crew.
I owned one for a while, and my main impression of them was that the spinnaker was a bit small and they felt a bit gutless downwind - but that was from the perspective of a regular Fireball sailor who'd also recently owned a B14!! Ultimately though, it's the small spinnaker which makes them successful. They are about the only one of the "new" (post 1990s) crop of doublehanded boats which work round the cans at all those local muddy puddle clubs so many of us sail at.

I think the 200 carries weight well for it's size mainly because it is a heavy boat itself ... shame they built it like a tank.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote CT249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 22 at 10:17pm
Given the number at the nationals, and the demographics of them (lots of the young adults who are hard to keep in the sport, I understand) they could be the sort of boat the industry, World Sailing and others should be promoting instead of the less accessible classes they tend to publicise.


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