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    Posted: 01 Nov 22 at 10:45am
Originally posted by Old Timer

Maybe every other year it should be in single handers. 

Theres no perfect answer. People will look to gain/use whatever legitimate advantage they can. Its billed - or used to be - as a fun event but it's a competitive sport and a coveted - if marmite - event to win and rightly so. 

But I stand by the observation that the Xenon years were the levellest playing field. Before that were 400s (Advantage home sailors, heavy crews, assy sailors), Ents (Before my time but I'd imagine home sailors, lightweights) and I believe GP14s in the distant past.


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Originally posted by 423zero

Would only work if you only picked single handed winners,crew would have to be left out, makes it seem like they are only passengers to be discarded.

No .. .crews get to race also ... so you could have two entries for double handed classes.

Why would you assume crews get discarded ... bit old school ... 
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Yes it was in GP14s for a few years. Mike Holmes’s won it five times-he bought what was probably the fastest boat around at the time to do it, and kept it just for the event. (The boat had a weird sheer line that gave it a droop nose and a longer waterline)
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Originally posted by Paramedic

But I stand by the observation that the Xenon years were the levellest playing field.

Arguably yes, but how many people want to do an expensive event in Xenons, especially on that water? Also very dependant on getting the manufacturer support.
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Old timer, I crewed in Yachts and Dinghies before taking up helming in 2010, speaking for myself, sure to be others.
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In some ways it would be more levelled in heavy boats to minimise the difference in crew weights and perhaps boat unfamiliar to the entrants. Squibs or FFs ? Just saying. 
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Originally posted by Old Timer


Originally posted by 423zero

Would only work if you only picked single handed winners,crew would have to be left out, makes it seem like they are only passengers to be discarded.

No .. .crews get to race also ... so you could have two entries for double handed classes.
Why would you assume crews get discarded ... bit old school ... 


But not all crews necessarily have the ability to helm a boat?
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Originally posted by 423zero

Old timer, I crewed in Yachts and Dinghies before taking up helming in 2010, speaking for myself, sure to be others.


Don’t understand your point. Sorry.
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Old timer, I didn't have the skill to have taken part, still know people who only crew.
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Home sailors are always going to have an advantage, as are those familiar with the chosen boat. They also have to pick a class that can provide enough loan boats for the event so a niche class would be unviable. I'd prefer to see boats without kites as some have little or no experience with them. IMHO the Ent was probably the fairest, carries weight reasonably well no kite to complicate matters, technical but not too technical and it's well suited to inland waters.

*Optimum weight used to be, a very average, 22 stone, but whatever boat, lightweights always have an advantage in a drifter and heavyweights when it blows.
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