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    Posted: 06 Sep 22 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by john80

Do all of these clubs not have pretty generous benefactors that have put up the cash in the first place. How many of these clubs went and took out a loan and then tried to turn break even over the life and resale of boats. I suspect these examples are being distorted by benefactors. 

Some do, some don't, I believe. 
The J70s were bought new with benefactors help.
The Mermaids were paid for by the club, I think. But SVYC has been running P2P Mermaid racing since just after WW2. 
I think the Southern has picked up their 70s as and when finances allow. 
Not sure about RCYC, but I can't believe a 707 costs that much now?
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I know that the J70, RS21 and the Sonar were the three potential choices , and that they were all sail tested alongside each other at QMSC, and the Sonar was considered the most suitable overall. The boats are primarily used for Team racing and also RTYC members day sailing, and I would imagine the Sonar was a better option for the those purposes. 
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Originally posted by Demelza

Its just a question of detail, obvious rules for pay and play:
Only available at times of normal club activity.
Must use their own boat and safety equipment.
Must have Insurance.
Must keep out of the way of other club activities.
Use of changing facilities and catering optional.
All organised by officer of the day or whoever allready on site.
Typically I might visit 5/6 times a year say at £25 a visit. The clubs income could be the equivalent of another member.
Yep we thought of that when we looked at widening use of club boats to a sort of pay and play at my club. We couldn't come up with any sort of business plan that made sense, and there was a strong opinion held by some that actually this sort of approach would actually lose us money as some of our more fringe members would probably switch to pay and play. As others have said, clubs exist for a reason and tend to be run for the benefit of our members first and foremost.
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Our club has It's 8 down river races and the 5 main days of regatta week listed as Opens.. You could achieve 5/6 times a year at no cost...

There are enough clubs round the UK even in small areas,  that you could easily sail 5/6 times without paying just by going to opens.


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Does mean you need a boat, though. And the thing about P2P is that you avoid the hassle of boat ownership & storage. 

There is, of course, one well known P2P operation - Minorca Sailing. Slightly different model, though!! 
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Originally posted by The Q

Our club has It's 8 down river races and the 5 main days of regatta week listed as Opens.. You could achieve 5/6 times a year at no cost...

There are enough clubs round the UK even in small areas,  that you could easily sail 5/6 times without paying just by going to opens.

The down side of that is the pain rigging and derigging after every event plus you still have to have somewhere to keep your boat .  Smile
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The Seaview Mermaids go back many decades i'm not sure any are still in private ownership?
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Going back to the £25 a visit hiring a boat.. it's just not economic.
I just  if looked up the cost of hiring a Broads Motor day boat and that's £40 an hour, £145 for a full 8 hour day. ..............
 They are a lot tougher than a sailing boat, don't need time rigging and un rigging, just a quick top up of fuel. Don't have safety boats in attendance. What ever fuel costs are, man power is more expensive...............

I can't see quality dinghies being for hire that includes rigging and unrigging launching  done for you, for less than £50 an hour.. unless subsidised by other rentals such as canoes...............


Hunters Yard at Ludham in Norfolk,  will hire you a " Halfdecker" for £86 -101 an hour https://huntersyard.co.uk/our-boats/half-deckers/ they're around 20-23ft of keelboat. Hunters Yard is a preserved fleet depending on a mix of full time and volunteer staff to make it work...........

I've sailed / raced in both Rebels,   and Yare and Bure One Designs (AKA White boats). They are both a wonderful sail. The Rebel is heavier but makes up for is with more sail area.. Both you have to sail the keel round in a tack , not crash tack like a dinghy................



I'll also note that on rescue boat duty. I now have rescued hire canoes twice. 
Once when a two man capsized within sight of my club, they had been to a pub and were on their way back. and were wearing the womens life jackets!! (they were in the other canoe).................

 The other time, two ladies in a similar two person canoe, two children in single person canoes, they had paddled down stream with wind and tide, but couldn't get back against wind and  tide.. One of the women was in tears as the children had paddled round the next corner...........
Racing had just been abandoned due to high winds, so I towed the lot back to the hire base a couple of miles up river, picking up the buoys on the way back.  


Edited by The Q - 08 Sep 22 at 7:55am
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A couple of the 1922 Mermaids. I think one or two of the post war wooden fleet passed into private hands when they replaced the hulls with glass? Don’t think any of the first, 1907 fleet remain. 


Edited by Presuming Ed - 08 Sep 22 at 8:04am
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Originally posted by The Q

Going back to the £25 a visit hiring a boat.. it's just not economic.....




£25 an hour gets you the use of a £500 sit on kayak or paddleboard.
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