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    Posted: 11 Sep 22 at 8:03pm
My lake has a club ( Carsington sc ) and a pay and play ( Carsington watersports). But the pay and play people have a very limited range of boats, a few picos and a Bahia I think. It's the club that gets the people out sailing.

Or you buy a boat, tow it to a club and pay the day sail fee ( my local clubs have that facility ). Advantage,youre not stuck at one club and not paying £100s in membership; disadvantage, the cost mounts up and you can't keep your boat on site.

Makes sense for windsurfers, kite foilers, not so much for dinghies and keel boats.
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Originally posted by Demelza

Following on from my other post. I would like to be able to just be able to turn up at an inland sailing venue without being a club member and play for my grand kids to sail a boat approx half a dozen times a year. Do any sailing clubs in Surrey,Middx,Berks or Hampshire have such a facility?

There's a couple of places where you can get 'pay to play' but you need also to be a member, but membership is on a monthly pay basis, so more like a 'gym subscription'

Queen Mary - Ashford Middx - https://www.facebook.com/QueenMarySelect/

HISC - S. E Tip of Hayling Island (but worth the drive) - http://www.hisc.co.uk/ - note you would be expected to do duties here however.
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My conclusion from this is that sailing is a cheap sport if done within a certain model. That model is volunteer, well run clubs and people buying second hand mainly but competitive boats, looking after them and sailing them regularly. 
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Originally posted by The Q

Going back to the £25 a visit hiring a boat.. it's just not economic.....




£25 an hour gets you the use of a £500 sit on kayak or paddleboard.
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A couple of the 1922 Mermaids. I think one or two of the post war wooden fleet passed into private hands when they replaced the hulls with glass? Don’t think any of the first, 1907 fleet remain. 


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Going back to the £25 a visit hiring a boat.. it's just not economic.
I just  if looked up the cost of hiring a Broads Motor day boat and that's £40 an hour, £145 for a full 8 hour day. ..............
 They are a lot tougher than a sailing boat, don't need time rigging and un rigging, just a quick top up of fuel. Don't have safety boats in attendance. What ever fuel costs are, man power is more expensive...............

I can't see quality dinghies being for hire that includes rigging and unrigging launching  done for you, for less than £50 an hour.. unless subsidised by other rentals such as canoes...............


Hunters Yard at Ludham in Norfolk,  will hire you a " Halfdecker" for £86 -101 an hour https://huntersyard.co.uk/our-boats/half-deckers/ they're around 20-23ft of keelboat. Hunters Yard is a preserved fleet depending on a mix of full time and volunteer staff to make it work...........

I've sailed / raced in both Rebels,   and Yare and Bure One Designs (AKA White boats). They are both a wonderful sail. The Rebel is heavier but makes up for is with more sail area.. Both you have to sail the keel round in a tack , not crash tack like a dinghy................



I'll also note that on rescue boat duty. I now have rescued hire canoes twice. 
Once when a two man capsized within sight of my club, they had been to a pub and were on their way back. and were wearing the womens life jackets!! (they were in the other canoe).................

 The other time, two ladies in a similar two person canoe, two children in single person canoes, they had paddled down stream with wind and tide, but couldn't get back against wind and  tide.. One of the women was in tears as the children had paddled round the next corner...........
Racing had just been abandoned due to high winds, so I towed the lot back to the hire base a couple of miles up river, picking up the buoys on the way back.  


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The Seaview Mermaids go back many decades i'm not sure any are still in private ownership?
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Originally posted by The Q

Our club has It's 8 down river races and the 5 main days of regatta week listed as Opens.. You could achieve 5/6 times a year at no cost...

There are enough clubs round the UK even in small areas,  that you could easily sail 5/6 times without paying just by going to opens.

The down side of that is the pain rigging and derigging after every event plus you still have to have somewhere to keep your boat .  Smile
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Does mean you need a boat, though. And the thing about P2P is that you avoid the hassle of boat ownership & storage. 

There is, of course, one well known P2P operation - Minorca Sailing. Slightly different model, though!! 
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Our club has It's 8 down river races and the 5 main days of regatta week listed as Opens.. You could achieve 5/6 times a year at no cost...

There are enough clubs round the UK even in small areas,  that you could easily sail 5/6 times without paying just by going to opens.


Edited by The Q - 07 Sep 22 at 7:46am
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