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    Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 4:25pm
I would be interesting if a club could  get the Pay to play model to work but off hand  I cannot think of one that does.
Ive only paid to play a few times times and that was a couple of decades ago , a couple of times at Rutland and once at Grafham and certainly at Rutland it was though a commercial operation not the sailing club . 


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Yep whitewell at Rutland has a launch fee option
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I wonder how many articles have been written by people on the sidelines, saying that P & P is part of the future of the sport, compared to how many such operations have actually succeeded.

I've seen many of the former, very few of the latter. As others have noted, for a typical club it's just not worth the small amount of money.
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There are multiple pay and play options at Rutland. Not just Whitwell.

Day launching can be arranged at both sites, Whitwell and the sailing club at Edith Weston.

We also have a pay and play options at the sailing club for team racing and feva sailing and RS21s at amazing prices, but this is existing club members. Other boats are available for hire via the sailing school, from Tera to SB 20

The pay and play side is fairly new and boats have been funded by grants and awards so far.



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Originally posted by Demelza

Many thanks for all the info and suggestions. I can understand that a lot of clubs would like you to become a member rather than offer day sailing but not everyone wants to spend out on annual membership or commit to regular use of club facilities and all that entails. Pity,they are missing out on additional income.
My club looked at how we could leverage the resources we had (water, clubhouse, changing rooms, boats etc) to widen access through greater/easier use of club boats etc.  We concluded that the additional income we might have generated would more than likely not offset the additional costs we would incur, even if we disregarded the biggest issue we had which was finding additional volunteer labour to staff the scheme. Some of those in favour of this approach thought we'd get additional membership as a result, but the majority didn't agree hence we didn't go ahead. Good luck to those clubs that think pay to play is for them, but personally I think its not a good business model for most clubs hence the lack of take up. 
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This from seasailor
"but at my sailing club we're not particularly short of income, but we are short of people who put in time to volunteer to do things that have to be done and are reliant on a small band of really helpful people. And I suspect a lot of other smallish clubs are the same"

This is how we in the SGBA see the situation so have not gone ahead. To make pay and play a possibility we would need to employ someone, something we do not want to do.

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if casual, non-member pay and play like this was viable, someone would already be doing it successfully. 
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Spot on . 
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Originally posted by fab100

if casual, non-member pay and play like this was viable, someone would already be doing it successfully. 


People are doing it 'successfully' but it's a small market. There's a much bigger market for hiring out SUPs at £20 per hour than dinghies at £30 an hour. The return on a £300 SUP is going to be a lot better than on a £3000 dinghy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Aug 22 at 6:14am
I know two commercial pay and play, Bethune on Lake Vyrnwy, only got old Wayfarers and kayaks and Canoes. One at Newquay Wales, they have quite a few boats, Bahia's and Toppers, kayaks, Sups etc, think they also do RYA courses, both friendly people.
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