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    Posted: 23 Aug 22 at 1:37pm
I would suspect that to make pay and play work you would need to be very close to a large number of people with money. The venue would have to be relatively sheltered and with easy launching and recovery. Your season will likely be from say May to September and heavily fluctuating in interest depending upon weather. Sounds like a difficult business to run for me where every role is a paid role as you are very much a commercial centre. 
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Originally posted by Demelza

Its just a question of detail, obvious rules for pay and play:
Only available at times of normal club activity.
Must use their own boat and safety equipment.
Must have Insurance.
Must keep out of the way of other club activities.
Use of changing facilities and catering optional.
All organised by officer of the day or whoever allready on site.
Typically I might visit 5/6 times a year say at £25 a visit. The clubs income could be the equivalent of another member.

But £25 per visit, 6 times a year would get you full membership for a year at many clubs. 

I get the impression you want the sailing without the commitment of helping the club? How do you imagine the vast majority of clubs survive? It's through the kindness and commitment of its members. 
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Originally posted by 423zero

I know two commercial pay and play, Bethune on Lake Vyrnwy, only got old Wayfarers and kayaks and Canoes. One at Newquay Wales, they have quite a few boats, Bahia's and Toppers, kayaks, Sups etc, think they also do RYA courses, both friendly people.


 which suggests that the 'pay and play'  is much like , 'standby space'  for  dance studios and reheral rooms -  subject to avilability and  contingent on the  rest of the facility being open 
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I know two commercial pay and play, Bethune on Lake Vyrnwy, only got old Wayfarers and kayaks and Canoes. One at Newquay Wales, they have quite a few boats, Bahia's and Toppers, kayaks, Sups etc, think they also do RYA courses, both friendly people.
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Originally posted by fab100

if casual, non-member pay and play like this was viable, someone would already be doing it successfully. 


People are doing it 'successfully' but it's a small market. There's a much bigger market for hiring out SUPs at £20 per hour than dinghies at £30 an hour. The return on a £300 SUP is going to be a lot better than on a £3000 dinghy.
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Spot on . 
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if casual, non-member pay and play like this was viable, someone would already be doing it successfully. 
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This from seasailor
"but at my sailing club we're not particularly short of income, but we are short of people who put in time to volunteer to do things that have to be done and are reliant on a small band of really helpful people. And I suspect a lot of other smallish clubs are the same"

This is how we in the SGBA see the situation so have not gone ahead. To make pay and play a possibility we would need to employ someone, something we do not want to do.

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Originally posted by Demelza

Many thanks for all the info and suggestions. I can understand that a lot of clubs would like you to become a member rather than offer day sailing but not everyone wants to spend out on annual membership or commit to regular use of club facilities and all that entails. Pity,they are missing out on additional income.
My club looked at how we could leverage the resources we had (water, clubhouse, changing rooms, boats etc) to widen access through greater/easier use of club boats etc.  We concluded that the additional income we might have generated would more than likely not offset the additional costs we would incur, even if we disregarded the biggest issue we had which was finding additional volunteer labour to staff the scheme. Some of those in favour of this approach thought we'd get additional membership as a result, but the majority didn't agree hence we didn't go ahead. Good luck to those clubs that think pay to play is for them, but personally I think its not a good business model for most clubs hence the lack of take up. 
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There are multiple pay and play options at Rutland. Not just Whitwell.

Day launching can be arranged at both sites, Whitwell and the sailing club at Edith Weston.

We also have a pay and play options at the sailing club for team racing and feva sailing and RS21s at amazing prices, but this is existing club members. Other boats are available for hire via the sailing school, from Tera to SB 20

The pay and play side is fairly new and boats have been funded by grants and awards so far.



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Edited by andymck - 21 Aug 22 at 12:07pm
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