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    Posted: 21 Aug 22 at 11:05am
I wonder how many articles have been written by people on the sidelines, saying that P & P is part of the future of the sport, compared to how many such operations have actually succeeded.

I've seen many of the former, very few of the latter. As others have noted, for a typical club it's just not worth the small amount of money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 5:31pm
Yep whitewell at Rutland has a launch fee option
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 4:25pm
I would be interesting if a club could  get the Pay to play model to work but off hand  I cannot think of one that does.
Ive only paid to play a few times times and that was a couple of decades ago , a couple of times at Rutland and once at Grafham and certainly at Rutland it was though a commercial operation not the sailing club . 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by Demelza

Many thanks for all the info and suggestions. I can understand that a lot of clubs would like you to become a member rather than offer day sailing but not everyone wants to spend out on annual membership or commit to regular use of club facilities and all that entails. Pity,they are missing out on additional income.


You're welcome to start a club on that basis, or maybe make it work at one of the very small number of members' sailing clubs which are failing. The issues with offering sailing to non-members are not trivial. There is a whole load of H&S and Safeguarding for a start. Licensing. Insurance. The need for qualified staff.


There have been loads of business operations based on making dinghy sailing available to the casual public, it's a very tough way to make a living, and the market only supports a small number of commercial operators. I don't think my club is missing anything by not offering services to non-members, we don't particularly need a small amount of sporadic income, we could do a few more committed members of course!                                                                     

Also, while there are actual businesses offering this kind of activity,  it might not actually be a good thing for members' clubs to undercut them by using volunteer labour. The commercial operators do bring some value to the sport IMHO                                                                                               
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by Demelza

Its just a question of detail, obvious rules for pay and play:
Only available at times of normal club activity.
Must use their own boat and safety equipment.
Must have Insurance.
Must keep out of the way of other club activities.
Use of changing facilities and catering optional.
All organised by officer of the day or whoever allready on site.
Typically I might visit 5/6 times a year say at £25 a visit. The clubs income could be the equivalent of another member.

 
£25 a visit X 6 would get you Family membership of my club for a year..so single would probably be around £100..
you'd be running at a loss...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 11:40am
I think you're over-emphasising the financials.

Getting £150 from someone who turns up and sails 6 times a year, is not the same as getting £150 from someone who wants to be a member and who may only sail 6 times a year, but who does a couple of duties, turns up for an annual working party, volunteers to help out in other ways and comes to socials and spends money behind the bar.

I'm not criticising you for wanting to do it the way you propose, but at my sailing club we're not particularly short of income, but we are short of people who put in time to volunteer to do things that have to be done and are reliant on a small band of really helpful people. And I suspect a lot of other smallish clubs are the same.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 11:36am
When you say “must use their own boat” do you mean the clubs or the individuals?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 11:26am
Its just a question of detail, obvious rules for pay and play:
Only available at times of normal club activity.
Must use their own boat and safety equipment.
Must have Insurance.
Must keep out of the way of other club activities.
Use of changing facilities and catering optional.
All organised by officer of the day or whoever allready on site.
Typically I might visit 5/6 times a year say at £25 a visit. The clubs income could be the equivalent of another member.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 11:13am
Definition of CLUB,
 An Organisation of people with a common purpose or interest who meet regularly and take part in shared Activities. 

In our case that's 400 members ish, those running the club from Commodore to tea bar or safety boat are all Volunteers.. They cannot take time off work to keep the place open for 12 hours every day just in case someone wants to turn up to hire a hoat..



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 22 at 10:38am
Sometimes for smaller fully volunteer Clubs full time commitment is worth more than a few pounds of income from pay and play customers.    To facilitate P&P somebody needs to be on site to deal with arrivals and hire details, pretty much I guess customers would also expect safety cover. 
edit add. For all the ideas of what additional things Clubs could offer somebody has to organise it all through from start to finish. For some smaller outfits the priority is going sailing, weird heh. Yes I can that this idea could be viewed as unwelcoming but it really comes down to what is possible with limited resources and quite often the resource of primary concern is person power. 


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