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    Posted: 21 Apr 22 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by Mozzy

There is a mizzen on the in laws day boat. It completely gets rid of lee helm upwind. Of course, it's a bit of an air break, like sailing with lee helm is a water break. So I doubt it's any faster with it up, but it does make the boat nicer to sail. 
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As I understand it, it is possible  to make a multi-mast rig actually self steer upwind or on a reach. Not just balanced, so it keeps going where it's pointed, but actively self-correcting if it gets knocked off course by a wave or the wind shifts. I refer those interested to the AYRS book on self steering, as I'm sure I'd make a hash of explaining it!
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Back in the day, when a student at Southampton Institute, we had to design and build sailing boats for a race off at the Gosport model boat lake.  No radio controls, no moving rudders.  The boat had to do upwind, reaching and running legs.  I went for a two mast/sail option which balanced beautifully on all points of sail, just had to trim the sheets appropriately.  The French guys turned up with kites to attach to their hulls … entertaining but not as effective!
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There is a mizzen on the in laws day boat. It completely gets rid of lee helm upwind. Of course, it's a bit of an air break, like sailing with lee helm is a water break. So I doubt it's any faster with it up, but it does make the boat nicer to sail. 

It does raise the question of why you wouldn't just have the sail plan balanced without it. But it does allow you to keep more sail area forward and an open back deck area (good for fishing I suppose). It can also help with manoeuvrability as you can change the CoE quick dramatically by sheeting it on or off.  Also keeps you head to wind when hoisting or dropping the mainsail. 

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Don't they sail Shrimpers?  Big fleet at Poole too
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Hi Davidyacht
Are the fleet at Rock similar?

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I believe that it originates from fishing boat origins, whilst the early Salcombe Yawls were never intended as fishing boats, this was a configuration back in the day, as a balancing sail.  And yes the Mizzen moves the centre of effort back, on a reach it is vital to get the trim right or it weights up the helm.  It is also slow to over trim the mainsail upwind otherwise the dirty air off the main shunts straight into the Mizzen.  There is a minimum size for the Mizzen and the Howlett boats have gone down this route to reduce drag.
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Went on a cruising forum and had a read, useful sail.
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Missing something OK, why did the designer think he needed a mizzen?
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There is always a centre of effort  LOL just as there is always a centre of lateral resistance. Adding a jib will move it forward, adding a mizzen will move it aft but it's always there.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 22 at 9:05pm
Trying to get my head round what it does to centre of effort, presumably there isn't one as such?
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