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    Posted: 04 Feb 22 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Their is talk of a 'Silicon valley' in UK, see what comes of that. 

Probably the same as happened last time to Silicon Glenn.

I had a 'Gem' Windows desktop with an infra red keyboard and mouse, in 1981-2, an Apricot F10, years before Apple and M**rosoft Windows, which went the same way everything goes in the UK, lack of finance, City demand for short term profits or die.

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Originally posted by eric_c

In the USofA, they have International 420s and 'Club 420s'.
Club 420s are cheaper, and popular for college racing

Would I be right in guessing the Club 420s don't pay certain fees to WS or whoever?
Is it a similar situation in some ways?.
Maybe the 'Club Laser' will gain traction over there?


IIRC a 'club 420'   is 'Bosun'ised in build   and  has a simple two sail rig with no trapeze 
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Their is talk of a 'Silicon valley' in UK, see what comes of that. 
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Originally posted by 423zero

Very reminiscent of new car market, nobody getting anything in or out, had a email last week from DAF trucks, chassis being delivered are not road legal due to brakes not having EBS chip fitted, brakes work though for use in yard and work shop, nearside door window won't work, central locking won't work, long list of stuff, all due to supply chain issues.

Supply chains for many things have gone mad. The cost of container shipping has gone through the roof, so presumably lots of stuff is still being shipped. Electronic industries have been particularly affected by the pandemic, and the motor industry shot itself in both feet cancelling a lot of orders in the early days of covid. Some things are on 6 month lead times, things you expect to be held in stock. Some things will not get back to normal this year.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by 423zero

can't see how they can knock three grands worth margin out of the boat,


FTFY and I can.
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Very reminiscent of new car market, nobody getting anything in or out, had a email last week from DAF trucks, chassis being delivered are not road legal due to brakes not having EBS chip fitted, brakes work though for use in yard and work shop, nearside door window won't work, central locking won't work, long list of stuff, all due to supply chain issues.

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Originally posted by Fatboi

Spot on Eric_C 

It is not about building a better boat per say, but about building a consistently quality boat. We have all heard stories (and I've been part of) measuring rake, weighing spars and bend testing at the factory to get the rig set up that was fast.

Its the extra time taken in process that gives the increase in cost, but like I say, at club level I would have no issue racing a LP boat. On opens however the boat has to be the same and conform with the ILCA rules, etc. 

I quite like the fact there is an entry route to club racing that is more affordable to boost club numbers. 
I don't mind racing against LP Lasers at club level.
It wouldn't even worry me if a new, LP boat consistently won.
I wouldn't want anyone I like to pay £4k for a dog of a boat.

Unless we're talking about commercial sailing schools, 'entry route' and 'new boat' or 'four grand' should be kept well apart IMHO. Thee are plenty of £1k Lasers which won't be holding anyone back until they've been racing for at least a couple of years.

For many private owners £4k could be expensive if it cuts off the ability to tap into the learning that's available in open meetings. I've never got involved in Laser opens, but in other classes, the CA training/coaching and open meetings and access to help from Class members wanting to put something back into the class has been a huge help.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Their website is totally transformed from the last time I looked. Most of the Laser spares are still UKLA legal.


Awful lot of stuff 'Out of Stock'.
Even for boats like the Vago.
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Spot on Eric_C 

It is not about building a better boat per say, but about building a consistently quality boat. We have all heard stories (and I've been part of) measuring rake, weighing spars and bend testing at the factory to get the rig set up that was fast.

Its the extra time taken in process that gives the increase in cost, but like I say, at club level I would have no issue racing a LP boat. On opens however the boat has to be the same and conform with the ILCA rules, etc. 

I quite like the fact there is an entry route to club racing that is more affordable to boost club numbers. 


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Their website is totally transformed from the last time I looked. Most of the Laser spares are still UKLA legal.
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