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NicolaJayne ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
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you really are not doing anything to dismiss the assertion that you are a Shill for LP, attempting to astroturf about their counterfeit product. |
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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As I see it, ILCA isn't taking the class anywhere. It is exactly where it wants to be. Give or take incremental updates like the Carbon radial mast, it's sticking to what it does best. Strict OD with backward compatibility to legacy boats. Other parts of the world are served by other manufacturers, in Australia and Japan. Nothing has fundamentally changed with those factories' relationship with the CA or WS. UKLA is part and parcel of ILCA, fully signed up to the same ethos, UKLA has no significant difference of opinion with ILCA, over the years the UK has probably had a lot of input to ILCA? I'd maybe criticise the time it's taken to appoint new builders, but there's been a pandemic and the legal system and 'World-anything' politics don't move quickly. That's probably not been great for some serious There is no upside for the class in chaiging their rules to accommodate anyone, especially the companies in question. Nobody would benefit from boats coming into high level racing without the QA in place to prove they are on level basis with boats from Japan or Aus. £4k is a lot of money for a boat that turns out slightly slow and no Laser sailor with any self respect wants to be accused of having a faster boat. You can get all that in other classes (including a lot of SMODs). If you don't like the Laser situation, you have a world of alternatives. Let's face it, its only real asset is it's extreme OD nature and history. As boat it is a cheap thing from 50 years ago with no single part of it actually fit for the 21st century. I can't think of a single part of it which couldn't be done better now. But for level, 'first over the line is the best sailor' racing it's still pretty good.
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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To call it a 'counterfeit product' implies not understanding that it's the WS plaque and what irepresents which IS THE PRODUCT. It is where a big slice of the value is. The plaque-less Laser is a perfectly genuine product, but it's just a mediocre boat designed down to a price a long time ago.
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Demelza ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 21 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31 |
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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Er, but is it? There's no external QA, no commitment to the build-manual that the official builders work to, no royalties paid (for what was it, ten years?). It's as genuine as a knock off "Gucci" handbag or "Rolex" watch bought in a Souk. So that would be a "no" then. As far as I am concerned, someone who is granted a virtual monopoly on a popular, profitable product, but does not pay the monopoly grantor their (small per boat) dues for a decade is beneath contempt. And by dint of not paying the royalties, they cannot be 'genuine'. Oh, and even before LP lost their build rights, my boat-park neighbour, who has bought at least 2 200+ sail number Lasers found that the quality was awful, with mast rake several inches different for instance. So not one-design by any stretch
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Demelza ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 21 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31 |
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I think you are missing out some of the history behind the debacle. The Australian builder was producing a boat that was judged to be 'faster'. Foul play was suspected and on investigation the boats were found to be stiffer because they were constructed with addition fibreglass mat and did not thus comply with the builders manual. LP complained to the ILCA that these boats should be ruled out of class. This would effected a few thousand boats so the ILCA did nothing apart from demand to inspect LP premise to check on their boats. Not surprisingly Rastagar got the hump and refused. ILCA 's response was to refuse to license LP boats.
Imo a stupid thing to do before they had any alternative builder appointed for Europe. Also I believe it was not LP but the ILCA that approached an Australian company to trial new rigs. This was instigated, without any reference to the membership, by the yanks who took over the ILCA. Two of whom declared publicly that the days of white sails on the Laser must pass. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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AFAIK there are/have been two separate paths of new rig development for the Laser, one sponsored by LPE (the Arc rig) and the other by ILCA (the C5, C6 & C8).
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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What NJ said |
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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Conveniently dodging the upped royalties issue. "Not surprisingly" I beg to differ - in the circumstance you set-out, I'd have thought having inspectors in was absolutely the thing to do. Unless there was something to hide (crap QA, methods, other infractions?) |
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Demelza ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 21 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31 |
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Final word;
I don't have and would not now buy another either an LP or an ILCA. I'd recommend a RS Aero. After years of trying they have finally got it right and the boat is obviously waiting in the wings to take over from the Laser/ILCA as the Olympic single-hander.
Ooh and I'm also in RS's pocket for writing this. Bye. |
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