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    Posted: 01 Feb 22 at 12:28am
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You try building them for significantly less]


Not that difficult if production were taken offshore, bear in mind I was quickly prevented from importing Laser sails by your little industry 'cartel', landing them here for $25.0 US, not so long ago, and those hulls,no more than $300 a pop, maximum, the rest of the bits? $50.00 all you need are sensible MOQ's (minimum order quantitys) probably as low as 1-200 pcs.

Fact is y'all have all been soaked for years by probably the biggest margin product in the business, those moulds must have been homologated twenty times over.

I don't doubt that Ovis costs are higher, but 6 grand? They're having a ball or their order book is way too thin.

Nobody has answered the mast question is it all carbon now or not, makes a big difference to cost I imagine?

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Constantly looking to reduce costs by going for offshore production, well, thats worked out really well, because we can do something, doesn't mean we have to.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Not that difficult if production were taken offshore,... and those hulls, no more than $300 a pop, maximum, the rest of the bits? $50.00 all you need are sensible MOQ's (minimum order quantitys) probably as low as 1-200 pcs.

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So what are you saying you wouldn't want an entry level Laser for £1500?

No don't tell me, it might devalue your Class Association boat.

And there we have it in a nutshell the stupidity of a Class lead sport denying mass entry because of petty protectionism, whilst wondering why their sport is dying?

Can't really write this stuff really can you, nor make it up?

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Originally posted by eric_c


You try building them for significantly less]


Not that difficult if production were taken offshore, bear in mind I was quickly prevented from importing Laser sails by your little industry 'cartel', landing them here for $25.0 US, not so long ago, and those hulls,no more than $300 a pop, maximum, the rest of the bits? $50.00 all you need are sensible MOQ's (minimum order quantitys) probably as low as 1-200 pcs.

Fact is y'all have all been soaked for years by probably the biggest margin product in the business, those moulds must have been homologated twenty times over.

I don't doubt that Ovis costs are higher, but 6 grand? They're having a ball or their order book is way too thin.

Nobody has answered the mast question is it all carbon now or not, makes a big difference to cost I imagine?


AIUI, you can get a carbon lower mast for the radial rig.

If you want to argue about the economics of cheap boats, the Laser is not the best place to start, because what you're actually buying with a Laser is a slice of the World Sailing overheads, the ability to charter boats for champioships, a whole load of costs beyond the hardware. I don't believe either Topper or Laser did very well out of other designs.
The capital cost of a Laser at over six grand really isn't bad when you can be reasonably sure of getting good money for it after 5 years. Compares pretty well with say a racing pushbike.
   Personally I am put off buying a new boat, because I will be racing off a beach where the boat is sure to get some knocks. I don't need a brand new boat for my level of ability and commitment, a good ten year old one would give me no excuse for not winning in our fleet. That's what One Design Racing is all about. I don't actually want to chequebook my way to having the best boat, 'as good as any of the others' will do. If you can actually contribute anything regarding cheap things that float, I'm in the market for a two person sit on kayak. Must be a fair market for those, but at £600 upwards for a rotomoulding, they look poor value to me. Used ones even worse value with abrasions and UV damage.
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Originally posted by eric_c


. If you can actually contribute anything regarding cheap things that float, I'm in the market for a two person sit on kayak. Must be a fair market for those, but at £600 upwards for a rotomoulding, they look poor value to me. Used ones even worse value with abrasions and UV damage.


Regretably no longer, my days of kayaks are thankfully well and truly behind me, if you can find a 2nd hand Point 65 'Tequila' I think it was called, they were fair value when I was distributing them, and have the bonus of conversion from single to double hander, but I guess like everything else of late they're exploring astronomy in pricing these days.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Two-Person-Kayak-New-2-man-sit-on-top-kayak-with-seats-and-paddles-/115227591714?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
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I have got the 'Mojito' well made French sit on top, OK for off the beach stuff, long distance, no way, it doesn't glide, the second you stop paddling, it's has though you are trailing a net.
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Originally posted by 423zero

I have got the 'Mojito' well made French sit on top, OK for off the beach stuff, long distance, no way, it doesn't glide, the second you stop paddling, it's has though you are trailing a net.
  These things mostly have compromised hull designs, but the Mojito is very short, so you're up against 'hull speed' and wave making. I hired a 2 person sit on and we managed to cover a reasonable mount of ground in an hour. A stable kayak for beginners is never going to be like a long thin expert's kayak. Doesn't worry me, we need the exercise!
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