Lasers

   Prior to the debacle regarding Lasers being rebadged as ILCA's and what is considered as class legal, a large number of clubs accepted so called replica sails for club racing. 
Now that a Laser, that is identical to an IlCA, can be purchased for £thousands less, are clubs accepting the Laser for club and open meeting racing ?

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Demelza Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 01 Aug 21 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31	Post Options Post Reply Quote Demelza Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Lasers Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 1:07pm
	Prior to the debacle regarding Lasers being rebadged as ILCA's and what is considered as class legal, a large number of clubs accepted so called replica sails for club racing. Now that a Laser, that is identical to an IlCA, can be purchased for £thousands less, are clubs accepting the Laser for club and open meeting racing ?

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 1:25pm
	Would be surprised if there were many clubs that would turn one away, perhaps one with a large fleet of ILCA legal Lasers and ILCA'S might.
	Robert

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 1:31pm
	As far as club racing is concerned it will depend on each individual club's policy. For open events supported by the UK Laser Association only class legal equipment is accepted so no replica sails or replica hulls - even if they are branded by Laser Performance. I think in practice in recent years most new Lasers/ILCA have been bought by folk who wish to do open events. There's a paper here from ILCA covering what's class legal. https://ilca.uk/s/Verification-of-Class-Legal-Equipment-for-Laser-Class-Competitions-8-JUL-2020.pdf

Grumpycat Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497	Post Options Post Reply Quote Grumpycat Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 4:40pm
	Think the cut off point for class legal LP boat is about 215*** . To be honest I smell the slight whiff of LP sock puppet with this thread. Apologies to the OP if this is not the case .

eric_c Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382	Post Options Post Reply Quote eric_c Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 4:43pm
	It's not just 'IlCA' events you have to consider, but also any regatta such as Chichester Harbour Federation Week, where there is what used to be called 'class racing for Lasers'. In the past they have DSQ'd people for replica sails one year after tolerating them the year before. Other regattas take a different view. Don't forget that if people get picky, one essential class legal item is a helm who's a member of ILCA.

iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 4:54pm
	We were having a Laser conversation on sunday morning on yet another winter windless sunday, anyway is it true you can buy one for around 4 grand and with a carbon mast? Not just crabon top, seems a good deal to me, as for paying a blind bit of notice to the class bollox I've never seen it adhered to in my entire time in dinghy world. In fact only a couple of them appear to have the correct sail and that was more by error than judgement.
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 5:04pm
	Its all down to the NOR. If the NOR says Laser/ILCA the boats need to be in compliance with class rules, same as any other class. If the NOR says not-quite-Lasers are acceptable then that's fine. If you read the rules the class membership requirement only applies to CA sanctioned events, so not club racing or the majority of multi class open events.

Demelza Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 01 Aug 21 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31	Post Options Post Reply Quote Demelza Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 5:27pm
	I would think it difficult for clubs that allow replica sails for club racing not accept a current Laser produced by LP. I would not expect a club to refuse entry for a Laser at an open event or ask for evidence of UKLA membership. They never have in the past and would rather have the entry to their event. This could be expected at the less popular qualifier and national level events. To call a LP Laser a 'replica' is a misnomer and somewhat ironic as they produced the original boat, surely the Ovington ILCA is the replica. Interesting scenario, buy the cheaper Laser for club sailing and an ILCA sail for open events together with UKLA membership. You could choose any relevant sail number. You could even add a copy hull plaque!!

Grumpycat Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497	Post Options Post Reply Quote Grumpycat Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 6:19pm
	The smell of LP sock puppet has suddenly got a lot stronger

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 22 at 6:28pm
	Second post and suggesting putting bogus stickers on a LP hull
	Robert