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    Posted: 10 Dec 21 at 10:29am
I don’t think there were on sails at the boats launch but the change happened with in the first few months . Certainly when my friend bought one about a year after the boat launch, his sails ( 7 and 9 ) had them on . For any that doesn’t already know, 5 is blue, 7 is yellow and 9 is pink .
Tbh I find the same people that can’t tell the difference between a Laser 4.7 and a Laser standard or the difference between the Aero 5/7/9 are the same people that CAN spot every different version of a N12 or Merlin rocket made since 1950 at a mile away .  LOL
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I believe flashes have been on the sails for some time. Question is why it needs so many. Other classes are all predominantly used with one size of sail with allowance for a variety of cuts if its open sailmaking. With the aero it seems to need at least two sails to work in a ‘normal’ wind range for an ‘average’ sailor. 
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by davidyacht

I can see problems for ROs identifying the titchy Aero 5, 6, 7 and 9 numbers to attribute the correct PY numbers, and there is scope for banditry at one off events, but if RS think that this will result in more participation, then it is probably a good thing.

The different size rigs have different coloured flashes on the sails aft of the window which probably helps but I'll bet many ROs haven't realised...

Looking at the Aero page on the RS website, have the coloured flashes always been on the sails?  I can see the yellow flashes on some Aero 7 sails but not all, and no flashes on the Aero 9?
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Streaker has the Wave small sail for lighter sailors, I'm not sure if it has a separate handicap, Blaze has Fire and Halo sails as well as the standard sail though they haven't really taken off. Like the Aero and Laser both Fire and Halo are considered different classes from the Blaze standard sail.
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Woodman , The point is RS have another rig to sell . I always felt the the rig sizes were a little out , 5/6 and 8 would have made more sense to me. But what do I know ? Lol .
The bottom line is some rigs will prosper and some will die .
Re identification, I am pushing 60 , sail at a tiny club and am short sighted and I have never had a problem telling a 4.7/radial /standard laser apart and it’s just as easy with the aero if you can be bothered to know the colours . 
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But a boat with 4 rigs already and maybe another one, each with a different section is getting a bit bonkers - a very basic rig which has a limited wind range? Most boats have only really have one sized sail even if they can have different cuts - moth, ok, lightning, supernova, solo, dzero, blaze, streaker, phantom etc Some  I agree have added a small sail but all of them are only really focused on the one ‘sized’ sail which caters for most in most conditions. Sort of makes the Aero it’s own handicap class fleet - bit of a nightmare as an RO finishing a lot even with flashes on the sail.

Edited by Woodman - 09 Dec 21 at 9:29pm
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Woodman, It’s never been a fact . Most classes have always allowed smaller or flatter sails . And Laser totally blow the doors off when they launched the radial lol. 
To go back to my original point , two of my friends had solutions , both had a flat and a full sail and the class also allows a official smaller sail. Or to use a much older class as a example, the British moth. When I had mine I had a flat sail, a full sail and a slightly smaller flat sail all class legal. The class also has a official small sail that is a lot smaller .
The only boats I’ve ever own that I only had  one sail with were the Lightning 368 and the Dzero . The thing they have in common is they both have soft unstayed masts . 


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Originally posted by Woodman

What happened to one boat and one sail for all conditions? 
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What happened to one boat and one sail for all conditions? 
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